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on this episode of skeptico

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a guest appearance that started out

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great welcome back alex

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good to see you alex rob

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thank you trish thanks to both of you

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and then went totally off the rails

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i mean you don't always look at science

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uh alex i mean you believe in pizzagate

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for christ's sake i mean that's crazy

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that's totally that's right that's a

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great one in the time in the time that

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we have left what do you understand

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pizzagate to be

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i don't want to get into it i just don't

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no no no no no no you brought it up pal

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but what do you understand pizzagate

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well is it something against hillary

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clinton right

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right then very much

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okay hillary clinton had

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had this basement under a pizza shop and

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she was screwing boys or something uh

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pedophiles uh some sex thing is totally

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ridiculous and as a result of the right

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wing uh

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conspiracy theory about this uh saying

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it over and over again when you say

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something over and over again like trump

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says

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things over your life and people start

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to believe it and so some guy came with

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a shotgun or a rifle into that pizza

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shop

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looking for the basement

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and you don't really believe this do you

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alex see rob you're you're so incredibly

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misinformed i don't believe you spew

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this stuff out like that here's what

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here's what pizzagate was

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the emails reference spirit cooking

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which was very offensive to a lot of

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people of a kind of

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christian persuasion and then you'd have

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to understand what spirit cooking is and

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you'd have to understand

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what uh crowley you know is the guy who

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kind of directed that so right you'd

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have to dive deep into the occult and

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understand that and you'd have

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confidence intelligent conversation but

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i want you to i just want you to own

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i just want you to own what you said rob

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because what you said was just not you

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you started out by saying alex you

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believe in pizzagate and i've just

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demonstrated to you that you have no

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idea what pizzagate was you had it all

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wrong that's what pizzagate was now the

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fact that a guy did take a gun and go

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shoot up that that

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that restaurant and he really just shot

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the safe

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is what has become

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the meme that people like you pick up on

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and say that's pizzagate some right wing

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nut conspiracy theorist shot up this

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thing it's much more accurate to say

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what pizzagate was was these

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these emails that were released in an

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attempt to undermine hillary clinton's

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campaign by painting her to be connected

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practices and well particularly what

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they what really stuck was that she was

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connected to occult practices and

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satanic practices and that had a a a

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dense a very substantial i don't we

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don't know how substantial but it

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definitely had an impact on her campaign

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right so you just got that wrong

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stick around i have a rebroadcast of my

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interview with rob and trish mcgregor

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from the mystical underground

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welcome to the mystical underground

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thank you for joining us this is trish

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mcgregor

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and

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rob mcgregor

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and our producer and tech magician john

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posey you can go to the

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mysticalunderground.com or we make

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regular blog posts where you can find

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out about our books

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among them are phenomenal harnessing

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your psychic abilities the secrets of

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spear communication sensing the future

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and aliens in the backyard

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our upcoming book is called the shift

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reports from the mystical underground

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tricia's new novel why crows is now

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available on amazon rob has been slowly

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releasing the audio edition of indiana

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jones and the staff of kings

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our guest our guest today is alex

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sicaris who is the author of why science

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is wrong about almost everything and

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also why evil matters alex formerly was

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a research associate at the university

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of arizona while pursuing a phd in

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artificial intelligence he left academia

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in order to found

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mind path technologies a successful itm

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firm which was acquired in 1996 alex

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began his popular podcast skeptical in

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2007 and has interviewed hundreds of

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people exploring the nature of the

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universe and beyond welcome back alex

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good to see you

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trish thanks to both of you you know i

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was just remarking to rob he kind of

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sent me this thing said hey send a bio

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and i was like

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caught in my track cycle wait a minute

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i'm interviewing you guys because

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every time every time we start this

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email chain

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rob starts sending me these stories and

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they're like true stories they're not

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like fake stories like oh yeah i

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remember the time when

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whitley strieber and us were you know

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kicking around these ideas while we're

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michipichu or whatever

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i'm like i want to hear that story you

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so i i noticed uh the titles of both of

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your books alex begin with the word why

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why why

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why is that

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the heart of everything you know the the

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ethos of skepticos is inquiry to

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perpetuate doubt

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so i'm i'm always in that

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inquiry mode because i think that's

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the core essence of spirituality is to

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more so yeah it's i didn't think of it

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that way but yeah i think that's

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probably the deep psychological answer

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right yeah i have a question for you

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alex when you travel and meet new people

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are you always asking why

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i found my spot i found my spot here in

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southern california in del mar outside

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of san diego and i stay here i go to the

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beach with the dog and i do my yoga and

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i come back with the fam and that's it

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but no seriously i mean i ask why on the

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show all the time i ask why and and i

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love you know i really do

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love the the podcasting thing and i

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think it's so cool that you guys and i

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want to hear about how one of the things

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i want to know is how the podcasting

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journey has been for you guys because

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you guys are are writers you know deep

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deep in your bones you guys are writers

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and now you're doing this podcast thing

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and i see that a book is coming out of

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the podcast so right

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and yeah you did you did the same with

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evil but see no i did that i did it with

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both of them but kind of the opposite

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the only way i was able to put out these

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books is because i had a podcast and i

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had all these interviews you guys wrote

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a hundred books and then you did this

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podcast i think so what's that what has

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that experience been like for y'all it's

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a different grade yeah it's a different

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mode for us though you know uh

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being uh you know coming on and uh

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talking with people i mean we were doing

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being interviewed a lot uh when our

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books came out but we hadn't uh i i i

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always thought that would be the worst

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thing to do is have a podcast and have

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to get people and find people and

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do this every week but hey we've been

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doing it so three years and also john's

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our facilitator a synchronicity

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we were on both of us were on instagram

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or indiana jones but anyway one or the

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other and then all of a sudden john says

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hey have you not thought about having a

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podcast and a week before rob and i had

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you're welcome and i've enjoyed it too

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but it all started just because i could

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not find my old copies of uh

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the expanded expanded universe indiana

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jones novels so i ordered them and they

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a picture on instagram and uh tagged rob

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mcgregor and uh trish showed up on their

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yeah well that's really cool you know

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these stories because they're amazing

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almost like a jumping off point for all

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these things that we might talk about

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mcmonicle and how did you guys get to

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i'm gonna ask that question here's how i

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this thing that kind of rob led us into

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like i came at this thing from a totally

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different perspective you guys came at

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it as uh writers

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fiction and nonfiction and you're

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collecting real stories and you're

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is as a computer programmer there are no

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stories in computer programming your

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program either works or it doesn't work

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if it if everyone's opinion matter you

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did programs it just don't work and then

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i came from a business background where

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the same way you either

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you know make the sale make the money or

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you or you go broke you know there isn't

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kind of in between and you guys are in

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you're in a different world and

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it's a necessity and you're on the

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fringes of that world but you're doing

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it in kind of a very

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i don't know in a very kind of

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interesting way and then along the way

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you've collected

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these amazing accounts with all these

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people who are also

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kind of on the edge of

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trying to figure out what this reality

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thing is so with that i mean that kind

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of

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really sets the the stage in a way for

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who is joe mcmonachel

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why did he think our hurricane was

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coming

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that story begins with

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nancy mcmahon eagle his wife

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and um for a decade rob and i wrote this

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sydney arm omar astrology books

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it was a serie of 13 books a year and i

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had asked scooter that's her nickname to

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submit an article so that's how i got we

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got to know her and then eventually we

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got to know joe

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and i think it was in 2005 wasn't it

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that we went to a lutheran

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well we went uh like two three other

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places with them before that uh

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something they became

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traveling partners down to the keys

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and right

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a lutheran oh i know it was when they

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were interviewed it was when joe was

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reading for bruce gurnen right yeah

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about what happened on bruce grinden's

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bermuda triangle flight no but before

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you go there remind people remind people

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who joe is because he is like a a super

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in my mind he is a super important

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figure in

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in this whole thing yeah without viewing

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uh his number zero zero one zero

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uh yeah he doesn't really call him

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psychic he's a remote viewer but uh it's

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a clairvoyant uh clairvoyant

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and uh he's

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learned this uh

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through oddly enough while he is in the

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army uh and uh

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he became a part of this group that uh

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we're doing remote viewing of the

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russians and uh all kinds of different

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spy type things in the uh mid 80s uh for

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about 17 years

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and then they said all of them wanted to

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remote view ufos they started

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getting into that as well

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and then explain he he was married to

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scooter whose stepfather was robert

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monroe right yeah he had another grow

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institute that that was yeah right and

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he's he's been at the monroe institute

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many

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times as a speaker and a

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leader workshops workshops right and uh

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so and one other couple other things to

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add before you get to the hurricane

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story because it sets it up in a way so

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i i talked to i talked to joe on this

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show and uh because i've always been

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very interested in the mk ultra stuff

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you know and a lot of people forget that

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the remote viewing project

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russell tarr cal put off stanford

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research institute was under

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the very very nefarious mk ultra where

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they were doing these just horrible

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things to people

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and uh probably killing people but

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certainly destroying people's lives

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erasing their brains and doing all these

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other

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just ridiculously insane experiments on

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people in order to

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manipulate their consciousness well

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there were 150 mk ultra programs so not

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all of them can be painted with the same

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brush and certainly the stargate program

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which was the remote viewing program

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seems by all accounts that's one they

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always want to lead with because it

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seems kind of a white knight thing you

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know let's just

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do

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remote psychic spying on the russians

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but what i always thought was

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interesting about joe's story is

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he tell me that he told me the story

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about

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like he is in

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uh looks like out of a spy movie he's on

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the east german west german border at

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this restaurant he said where all the

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spies would go you know and he was there

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having lunch

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and he starts feeling sick and he

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and he starts staggering to the door

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thinking he's going to die and he does

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die he dies right there as he's exiting

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the restaurant a couple of his buddies

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grab him throw him in a jeep all of a

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sudden he's outside of his body looking

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down they go to the jeep to an ambulance

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to the hospital he is having an

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out-of-body experience he's having a

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near-death experience this is his first

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encounter with anything like this he

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awakes from his near-death experience he

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awakes from being dead

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clearly he is clinically dead during

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this time

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and

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in his face are two of his associates

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right his boss two of his superiors who

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are like

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okay what's going on and he doesn't know

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whether to tell them that he's just been

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to the other side and he doesn't know

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how that's going to sit with

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these intelligence guys or what he

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should do

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but the part of that story that i

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thought was has a couple of links to it

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uh that that i think are interesting he

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says

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when he went to stanford

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to uh stanford research institute for

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inter to interview as part of joining

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the

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secret file

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employee file and they pull out

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raymond moody's book you know the

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near-death experience book

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and he said at that point he realized

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that they understood

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the connection

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they not only stood they only they not

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only understood what happened to him but

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they understood the connection they

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understood that this was somehow in some

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way they weren't able to fully

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understand at that point there was some

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connection in this extended

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consciousness realm between the

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near-death experiences and between what

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they were doing then one other

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postscript i'd add to that is i

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interviewed ed may

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who was really pretty um obnoxious

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person he was he wrote

446
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but a good friend of joe's too

447
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great because

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like when

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ed may ran the stargate program for 10

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years yeah ed may

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when i asked him about this he said no

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that didn't happen

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really really what do you what do you

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mean that didn't happen i interviewed

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joe it's in his book he said it on air

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he said no there is absolutely no

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connection at all between near-death

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experience or between his experience and

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remote viewing

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and then i also asked him about dean

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raiden and he said he said these you

462
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know dean rayden he said basically you

463
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know he's a nice guy but he doesn't know

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what he's doing and then later he said

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after the interview he immediately said

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hey don't publish that interview and i

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know people and you better not publish

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that interview

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wow and of course i published the

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interview yeah i mean of course i

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published the interview anyway i mean

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he's just ed may but

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but i think it's interesting

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i mean in terms of fitting in my larger

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uh

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project

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in terms of

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how there is this

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definite goal to make you think you are

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not in a mystical world that you are

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that's called biological

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well it's it's also called uh you're a

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biological robot in a meaningless

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universe just do what we say you don't

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have enough there's nothing more to you

486
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so why are you even worried about all

487
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this stuff you are just there get the

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jab shut up do what we say put the mask

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on do all the rest of this stuff but the

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truth of the matter is that joe's out of

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body experience

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uh near-death experience is probably

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what triggered some of his abilities oh

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absolutely and uh he also fell out of a

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helicopter in vietnam too and survive

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that

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i didn't i mean it had something to do

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with it also

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it was in that movie uh the goats what

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is the the oh the

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men who stare at goats

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he hated that movie he never watched it

503
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i remember him you know scooter saying

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don't mention that movie to him he does

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so so that's that that to me that's who

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joe mcmonicle is yeah

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you know and now you guys are on

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vacation with them because you guys like

509
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hanging out as two couples and you're

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down in the keys

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no we were in the bahamas

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oh no the first time the first time was

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the keys yeah the first time was the

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keys it was uh related i co-authored a

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book on uh bermuda try a couple books on

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the bermuda triangle

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uh with um bruce gurnen

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and uh

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so i i had joe

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take a look uh psychically and remote

521
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viewing on

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some

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four different uh

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experiences from the the book and

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uh

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including

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one

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involving a ufo experience where

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uh

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first of all just briefly explaining who

531
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bruce gurnen is he

532
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what happened to him yeah if if you've

533
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ever seen any uh learning channel his

534
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history channel uh any of those

535
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documentaries on the bermuda triangle

536
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you'll almost always see bruce gernan

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usually towards the end because he's got

538
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one of the best stories and uh because

539
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he survived the bermuda triangle

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and he had a like a time travel

541
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experience

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involving uh it and uh so uh that

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happened i think in uh december of 1971

544
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and it changed his life and he he talks

545
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he thinks about it every day he still

546
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thinks about everybody it's defined his

547
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,600
life yeah i mean i just got an email

548
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from him about the bermuda triangle

549
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today

550
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so uh and anyhow uh a month after that

551
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experience

552
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he was with a girlfriend they went out

553
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on a

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private plane flight out of miami um

555
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because the girlfriend had never been in

556
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a small plane at night so he when it is

557
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you know it's a romantic thing he wanted

558
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to show her the stars and uh so they fly

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off the coast

560
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:03,280
uh about 20 miles or so

561
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,320
and

562
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,559
uh one of them says oh look at that star

563
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:08,720
in the distance there that orange star

564
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,360
and they look at it and

565
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:13,360
it's it's getting bigger

566
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:15,679
and orange it's orange and

567
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:17,840
it's coming right at them it's not a

568
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:21,039
star at all and uh

569
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:23,039
and it's getting closer and closer and

570
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:24,640
bruce tries to maneuver the plane to

571
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:25,679
avoid it

572
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,240
but he knows he can't can't do it and

573
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:31,120
suddenly boom it's gone

574
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,640
and you know

575
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:34,000
what happened to it

576
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:35,520
so

577
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,840
joe said what happened is that

578
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:38,960
they were

579
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:41,600
captured they're abducted now bruce does

580
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:44,880
not like being an abductee he wants to

581
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:47,200
not he has no memory of that

582
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,480
uh but

583
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:50,000
that but that also happened on his

584
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,549
that

585
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:56,400
on the initial yeah on the internet

586
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:57,760
right right on the initial part of the

587
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,880
flight where he left uh

588
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,080
um

589
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,919
what is the name of the island andros

590
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:05,760
island uh

591
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,799
uh and they were they're heading towards

592
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:11,039
the florida coast and there was this

593
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:12,799
very strange

594
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,720
cloud uh that looked like an elliptical

595
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,240
cloud that you'd see

596
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:21,039
like uh ten thousand feet above uh up

597
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,559
above a mountain

598
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,960
it was just above the ocean uh and it's

599
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,360
like a huge ufo looking shape about a

600
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,919
mile across and so he goes around it and

601
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,360
continues on

602
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:33,039
and then he notices

603
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,919
that

604
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:35,679
this

605
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,720
seemingly very calm

606
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:41,200
cloud starts expanding and it shoots out

607
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,640
arms on either side and it seems to be

608
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,640
following them and growing and growing

609
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:48,799
and they're so he goes up and tries to

610
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:51,919
get above this cloud and he goes down

611
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,840
and tries to get below it he can't do

612
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:54,799
either

613
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,360
and then he sees another one

614
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,280
in front of them doing the same thing

615
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:01,440
spreading out arms

616
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:04,159
the the arms all link so he's inside a

617
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:07,760
huge donut like 25 mile diameter donut

618
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,400
and he tries to get above again it looks

619
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,440
like it goes up 40 50 000 feet you can't

620
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,960
go over it he goes down it's coming

621
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,039
right out of the ocean but then he sees

622
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,360
this tunnel where the arms are coming

623
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,080
together and he tries to he says this is

624
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,159
our only way out of here and his father

625
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,360
who's also pilot is freaking out uh

626
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:29,840
so they they uh

627
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,640
head for that tunnel and as they get to

628
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,640
the tunnel it starts collapsing the

629
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,640
clouds are spinning

630
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,400
counterclockwise in the tunnel it's

631
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:40,559
shrinking uh all the instruments

632
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:42,640
electronic instruments go out

633
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,440
uh

634
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:44,960
there's no radio

635
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:47,679
and uh before the before they entered

636
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,279
the cloud they had contacted the miami

637
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,440
tower and the miami tower said there's

638
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,279
no there's no airplane out there by

639
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:57,200
bimini which is where they thought they

640
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,400
were

641
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,919
uh and

642
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,480
they go through this tunnel and uh

643
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,640
because they see blue sky on the other

644
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,159
side they get through it and there's no

645
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:08,080
more blue sky it's just kind of a yellow

646
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:09,120
fog

647
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:10,320
and

648
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:14,480
the instruments are still working but

649
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:15,520
the

650
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:19,679
picked you up uh we see a plane coming

651
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,000
right over miami beach and bruce says no

652
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:24,480
we're out by bimini's uh and he looks

653
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:27,279
down there all the fog disappears and

654
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,159
there's miami beach uh so

655
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,880
that was the timing way off

656
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,919
yeah

657
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,640
well

658
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,799
you know like so we've all heard kind of

659
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,760
those

660
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,120
there's so many interesting parts of

661
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,720
that we jump off so many ways i have a

662
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,080
friend

663
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,080
who i kind of know through skeptical

664
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:46,400
fantastic researcher recently got his

665
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:49,279
phd is probably one of the

666
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,960
leading authorities on uh precognitive

667
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,640
dreams and has chronicled all these

668
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:56,400
dreams so anyways

669
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,919
we've been talking about

670
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:59,039
yeah well

671
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,640
we the weeble weeble i was gonna leave

672
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,000
the name out of it because i'm gonna

673
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:04,320
tell the story

674
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,120
i love his stories trish

675
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:09,679
i'm sorry okay andy okay andy you've

676
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,039
been totally outed here okay

677
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,960
and he's telling me i can i can edit

678
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,120
that out if we want

679
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,919
do you guys decide okay

680
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,760
i'm sorry real quick since i jumped in

681
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,600
rob can you i was worried about audio

682
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,200
when we started can you tilt your can

683
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,440
you tilt your uh desktop uh camera back

684
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:29,919
just a little bit so you're so oh your

685
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,120
head's cutting off yeah ah okay sorry

686
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,360
better a little bit more okay just a bit

687
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,720
more smidge more

688
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,159
there you go you're good okay sorry

689
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,400
about that that was disappearing okay

690
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:42,480
all right all right sorry i'll get a

691
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,600
mutant now

692
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,679
okay so this relates to your story

693
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:47,679
because this guy whose name we won't

694
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,400
mention is driving across the desert

695
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,760
with his mom

696
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,440
and i think his sister's in the back

697
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:55,600
seat they see this strange light they

698
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:58,880
pull off the side of the road

699
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,600
they wind up back in the car and it's

700
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,520
like four hours later

701
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,840
the morning news is coming on

702
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:07,039
and i go

703
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,480
and he's telling me this and he's

704
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,080
telling me all these other paranormal

705
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,720
things that happened to him and i'm like

706
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,960
you know i mean like i'm trying to be

707
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,360
sensitive which i'm not always so great

708
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,960
at but i go

709
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,039
this is a classic

710
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:22,640
missing time

711
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,400
abduction story right you see the light

712
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:29,520
missing time something

713
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,279
and he couldn't really go there i mean

714
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,080
it's not like he's like locking up but i

715
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:38,400
just think that's interesting with the

716
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,159
guy you're mentioning here it's

717
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,080
that there's so many there's so many

718
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,240
ways to process that both from a human

719
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:49,039
level what do we what do we screen out

720
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:52,880
in our ordinary consciousness you know

721
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,520
suppressed memories repressed memories

722
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,080
all that kind of stuff and then

723
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,240
is that process being aided and

724
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,520
facilitated by

725
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,080
these entities who are interfering with

726
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,000
or creating that process so i just think

727
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,400
there's a lot to that and i always also

728
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:12,000
yeah i'll just leave it at that we can

729
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,679
all just talk about all these stories

730
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:15,279
but the other thing that's related to

731
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:18,159
that i think or i think may be related

732
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,679
but i don't hear us always talking about

733
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:20,960
the connection

734
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,679
is the implanted memories and i always

735
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:25,679
think of ray hernandez from the free

736
00:27:29,950 --> 00:27:27,840
project where his wife is having having

737
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:29,960
this incredible experience

738
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,320
downstairs with this eat with e.t and he

739
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:36,720
walks gets halfway down the stairs and

740
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,520
then he turns around and remembers a

741
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,720
very

742
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,000
dominant

743
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,159
voice like his own voice saying oh this

744
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:46,320
is ridiculous i'm going to go back

745
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:48,799
upstairs and go to bed

746
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,679
wow

747
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:51,760
back from that you go well that doesn't

748
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,399
make any logical sense it sounds like a

749
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,640
screened memory and you gotta wonder if

750
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,159
the same thing is going on here when

751
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,880
people approach that and you lay it out

752
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,960
to them you know like you guys do is

753
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:04,799
kind of part of your thing of collecting

754
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,760
store and say really that's interesting

755
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,000
and then you don't there's a missing

756
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,080
time but no you weren't abducted or

757
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,159
anything like no no no well you know

758
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,960
what i mean i mean right so so i i i

759
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,720
have an interesting story about joe

760
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,399
though we get back to joe here and trish

761
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:22,399
wants to tell her story about joe but

762
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,039
the the one we were in the keys uh in

763
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,520
bruce gurnen's uh he had a

764
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,679
a house down there and we were staying

765
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,960
there

766
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,320
and

767
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,399
we had this uh

768
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,360
we had uh our daughter and a friend and

769
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:39,039
they were out uh

770
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:39,760
with

771
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,880
uh on a kayak and they had some diving

772
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,720
gear or just uh

773
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,159
snorkeling gear

774
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:49,279
yeah and it flip flip tipped over

775
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,559
and uh it sank and they were ah just 50

776
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,480
75 feet offshore

777
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,640
they came in and there were like two

778
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,200
sets of it and i went out looking to to

779
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,960
grab this stuff and i found

780
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,559
just

781
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,480
one set of goggles nothing else you know

782
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:06,960
i'm right in that area and so joe

783
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,399
decides to remote view this thing

784
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,960
from the house you know i mean it's it's

785
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:14,240
very close

786
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,520
uh

787
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,520
wait a minute this was not

788
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,919
this where was this trish this was

789
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,039
i don't think it was

790
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,760
it was not at bruce's house we we stayed

791
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,000
at a uh another friend of our it was

792
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,200
al's house yeah yeah right uh so

793
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,679
this is right on on the water

794
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:33,279
it doesn't matter for the story it's

795
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,720
it's still in the keys it's just a

796
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:35,919
different key

797
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:39,440
and anyhow so uh

798
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,880
joe decides uh to remote view it and he

799
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,559
and he's working away on scooters saying

800
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,799
don't do it don't you're on vacation

801
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:49,360
don't do it

802
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,320
and

803
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,399
he can't find it you know he's he's

804
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,559
searching for searching for you know

805
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,120
expect this guy you know super uh remote

806
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,679
viewer number one to nail that sucker

807
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:02,080
you know what he can't find and and

808
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,520
finally you know he's i must have

809
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,440
drifted off or something i don't know

810
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,039
because i was out there looking for it

811
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,600
it's just kind of a funny story i mean

812
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:11,840
the you know that things don't always

813
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,360
work as you expect them to work

814
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:17,600
so that's that's a perfect that's a

815
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,120
perfect lead-in to trisha's story yeah

816
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,320
so we decided to meet scooter and joe

817
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,880
in a lutheran and it's a really it's

818
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,480
it's the largest i think it's one of the

819
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:30,080
largest

820
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:31,360
keys

821
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:35,200
longest skinny yeah the skin is

822
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:36,399
is the largest

823
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,520
that's right and uh we run in a house

824
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,520
and i had been sort now this is in the

825
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,000
days before the iphone okay i had like a

826
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:46,000
a blackberry that was my only connection

827
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:47,520
to the outside world so i was kept

828
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,919
trying to keep tabs on this system that

829
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:51,679
had formed off the coast

830
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,880
of uh

831
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,240
of florida

832
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:56,640
and it eventually became a

833
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:59,440
a cat one so i said to joe and scooter i

834
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,559
said we better

835
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:02,159
i feel like this thing is going to hit

836
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,600
here so we need to go get some groceries

837
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,039
and so first though we went to the

838
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,360
library and i used their computer and

839
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,279
showed you know national hurricane

840
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,880
center where they had this this

841
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:14,880
hurricane centered and where it was

842
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,440
going its path and all that now the back

843
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:19,440
story of this is i have been studying

844
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,640
hurricanes for a novel called cat 5 that

845
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:25,120
hits my island tango key that i created

846
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,240
fictionally

847
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,080
so i knew quite a bit about hurricanes

848
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:30,399
so at the at the library joe's kind of

849
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,840
leaning over my shoulder and he says

850
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:33,760
this isn't going to hit us

851
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,320
i said joe it is going to hit us and we

852
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:38,159
need to go get groceries you know we

853
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,760
need camp food we need water we need

854
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,760
blah blah i went through my hurricane

855
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,960
list

856
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,799
and so finally we did

857
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:46,559
we did go to

858
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:50,000
the grocery store and got some supplies

859
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,679
and we get back to the house and he's

860
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:52,960
still insisting that it's not going to

861
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,039
hit i said yes it is

862
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,760
and sure enough it did hit as a cat one

863
00:32:03,909 --> 00:31:59,840
we lost power

864
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:03,919
rest of the time we were there

865
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,880
and the rain was so bad that we had to

866
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:08,000
be

867
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:09,440
taken out

868
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:10,480
right now yeah

869
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,279
but we

870
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,960
removed from the house yeah the water

871
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:15,440
was up to six feet in one area and there

872
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,480
was only one road out uh and the water

873
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:20,399
was covering the road and we were

874
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:24,080
basically trapped stranded yeah and uh

875
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,200
and

876
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,440
the even the toilets wouldn't flush

877
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,200
we had to take a bucket and go down to

878
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,279
shore and i would i would wait out like

879
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,519
up to my ankles and put down the bucket

880
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,919
and then a wave would wash over my head

881
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,600
knocking me down as i'm trying to get

882
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,519
water for the toilet you know it was a

883
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,760
disaster basically

884
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,519
and we'd sit at night with flashlights

885
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,600
and play scrabble i mean that was about

886
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:47,279
the only thing we could do

887
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:50,320
yeah and uh then there were people

888
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,200
we saw people that were also trapped

889
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,960
carrying luggage on their head and

890
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,039
walking in up to water in their ways

891
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,360
past the house where we were staying and

892
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,919
uh but no now wait a minute did did joe

893
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,320
claim that he had remote viewed it and

894
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,159
that's how he knew it or he was just

895
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,880
looking over i don't know i don't know

896
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,039
that's the thing is when you're uh it's

897
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,600
like you have these abilities you know

898
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:15,200
you say things

899
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,480
uh sometimes that you know you expect to

900
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,720
be taken as an authority even though

901
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,120
you're not tuned in psychically and i

902
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,120
think that was kind of that case but it

903
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,799
was also a case that

904
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,679
he

905
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,519
did not want that hurricane to hit us

906
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,679
because we just got there you know and

907
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:33,840
he was kind of wishing it away i guess

908
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,720
uh and trish wasn't trying to bring it

909
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,120
in but she was being you know more

910
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:42,320
realistic about what she was seeing uh

911
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,519
you know

912
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,279
and i mean the national hurricane center

913
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:47,120
knows that they know their business you

914
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,640
know yeah uh so you know it's so so he

915
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,720
wasn't remote viewing it at all but he

916
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,200
you know but anyhow uh

917
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,600
that see i i agree i i don't think you

918
00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:59,200
can really like

919
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,919
psychics and remote viewers and they're

920
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,519
different but they're maybe similar

921
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,600
they're not supposed to be on all the

922
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,880
time so there's two different things one

923
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,639
they're not on all the time but number

924
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,560
two when they're on they're not accurate

925
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,960
all the time and i think that's a that's

926
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,560
a really important part of it you know

927
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,560
that's the reason like the reason i

928
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,359
originally contacted you guys was uh

929
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,960
or one of the reasons was because the

930
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:23,040
interview series you did with uh

931
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,800
preston dennett who's been on your show

932
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,800
a couple of times yeah

933
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,480
and i said you know this is kind of a

934
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:30,560
process i'm really interested in and

935
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,240
that's that how do we find out who's

936
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,800
who's credible and you know

937
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,560
back to this thing are we about

938
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,399
collecting stories

939
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:43,040
or are we about nudging towards some

940
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,040
kind of truth uh what is our

941
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:47,040
responsibility for making sure that

942
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,320
people are being truthful

943
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,520
both

944
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:53,599
intentionally being truthful or

945
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,639
intentionally deceiving or inadvertently

946
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,280
being untruthful inadvertently

947
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,000
deceiving or being self-delusion

948
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,640
delusional kind of thing it's an issue

949
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,480
that i think pops up over and over again

950
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,480
and i think it's especially relevant to

951
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,440
the ufo community because the whole

952
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:12,880
story of

953
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,119
very very

954
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:19,920
sophisticated uh misinformation and

955
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:22,560
disinformation and i think in a lot of

956
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,520
ways

957
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,079
they should be studied as

958
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,320
revealing the kind of

959
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,800
tools and methods for

960
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,079
the larger

961
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,320
kind of social engineering that seems to

962
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,560
be going on all around us whether it's

963
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:37,760
you know

964
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:40,880
whatever the issue is everything is a

965
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,280
psyop now everything is controlled

966
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,280
information and we're like used to it

967
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,839
now but i think the origins of that

968
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,079
within this ufo topic are are quite

969
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,680
revealing you know because we have

970
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,200
people

971
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,599
like richard dodie you know and paul

972
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,160
benowitz who you know where it's it's

973
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,560
open it's out in the open we can study

974
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,720
what they did and how they did the

975
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:04,400
misinformation

976
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,480
particularly in a post-disclosure versus

977
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,560
pre-disclosure kind of world you know we

978
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,480
can look back when they denied all this

979
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,400
stuff and now we can look at where it's

980
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:16,720
now an official part of the story right

981
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,040
and then we can compare that to the

982
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,599
misinformation disinformation

983
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,160
during that period and i think we we get

984
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,599
a really

985
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:27,280
really interesting uh kind of

986
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:33,190
yeah so as story collectors which you

987
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:34,240
guys are

988
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:37,119
what's uh what how responsible is

989
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,040
preston for telling

990
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,880
for his stories but him being

991
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,400
responsible for his stories being

992
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:44,000
truthful whether he's intentionally

993
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,200
lying or not

994
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,720
i don't think he's intentionally lying

995
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:49,040
why i like preston is he's done so much

996
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:50,079
research

997
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,119
and he's

998
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:54,160
poured this research into his books i

999
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:56,000
mean who'd ever think about writing a

1000
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,920
book about ufos over

1001
00:37:02,710 --> 00:36:59,520
drive-ins

1002
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,720
you know but he's collected the stories

1003
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:04,720
or what what was his other one robbed

1004
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:05,760
about

1005
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:10,880
various states

1006
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,560
just an odd place 27 or 28 but uh

1007
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,400
the thing is he just

1008
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:18,880
lays those stories out there he has very

1009
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,240
little analysis uh related to to the

1010
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,560
stories and he doesn't uh

1011
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,320
he doesn't dissect them yeah he doesn't

1012
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,800
dissect him he doesn't uh question them

1013
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,320
he just says okay this is what they're

1014
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,119
saying the so here here's the story it's

1015
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,960
and more or less it's up to you to

1016
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,359
whether you believe it or not and

1017
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,079
no it's like entering no i no that's not

1018
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,000
no that's not it at all i just

1019
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:43,680
re-listened to the interview that you

1020
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,480
guys

1021
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,480
gave with him and he gives he has plenty

1022
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,240
of analysis about

1023
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:50,720
why they're doing it why they allowed

1024
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:53,920
dolly to pilot this [\h__\h] why they why

1025
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,040
they don't reveal what they could reveal

1026
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,280
how these videos were collected what he

1027
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,079
saw and yeah dolly is another dolly's

1028
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,320
his latest book is another case uh he he

1029
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,200
does go into more uh

1030
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,599
analysis about her story and well i've

1031
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,200
heard plenty of other interviews with

1032
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,040
him where he he makes all sorts of

1033
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:16,800
claims that to me just uh

1034
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:19,520
need to be challenged i i'm a believer

1035
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,880
you know but the way i process this data

1036
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,440
and the the reliable sources is a lot

1037
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,400
different than uh preston dennett does

1038
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,400
and i think when whenever people claim

1039
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,960
that you know oh they don't they don't

1040
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,560
don't worry about anyone who doesn't

1041
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:36,400
believe me because they're skeptics and

1042
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,839
stuff like that i'm very uh reluctant to

1043
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:41,839
that you know the people that i most

1044
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:44,240
respect in this field

1045
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,839
are very open to the fact that they have

1046
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:50,320
to establish what they know and how they

1047
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:51,280
know it

1048
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:52,079
uh

1049
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,359
you know the best they can one of the

1050
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:55,359
guys i really like is robert hastings

1051
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,640
and i've never interviewed him but i had

1052
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,119
a very nice email exchange with him and

1053
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,079
he's of course the guy who did the ufo

1054
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,960
and nukes thing for 40 years he

1055
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:06,880
investigated it and you guys are

1056
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,680
familiar with that no doubt but out of

1057
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:11,440
that comes

1058
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,200
some very important like data like they

1059
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,079
shut down the freaking nukes

1060
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,240
one at a time and they shut down 10 of

1061
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,480
them and then they turned them on and

1062
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,640
then they go the wall comes down in

1063
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:26,240
russia and they go over and they find

1064
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:27,920
that hey the same thing happened to the

1065
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,280
ukraine and ussr and they activated the

1066
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,000
nukes and he has all the

1067
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:35,839
officials from the air force and other

1068
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,119
who confirm that that did happen so you

1069
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:41,040
know there's a guy who very carefully

1070
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:42,800
goes through the data and then at the

1071
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,079
very end

1072
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,720
adds that well i am an experiencer and

1073
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,560
my mom is an experiencer but that

1074
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,079
doesn't have anything to do with the way

1075
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:52,079
i've constructed this story i've

1076
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:55,280
constructed this story with 140

1077
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:58,400
of the most reliable witnesses you could

1078
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,680
find and what's the name of his book

1079
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,040
does he have a book

1080
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,200
oh robert hastings he has uh several

1081
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:06,720
books uh

1082
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,160
ufos and nukes yeah ufos uh ufos and

1083
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,280
nukes ufos and nukes

1084
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:15,200
is this a nuclear base in montana that

1085
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,640
they shut down is that the one you're

1086
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,079
talking about

1087
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,000
he there you know

1088
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:22,560
you really investigate it like he has

1089
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:25,599
there are multiple ones of these okay

1090
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:30,800
60s oh in the 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s

1091
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,240
there are uh reports of this but the and

1092
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,280
it's super important information i think

1093
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,560
in in data sets because

1094
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,560
it says so many things and i mean since

1095
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,040
you got i can't i'm surprised i should

1096
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,800
say that you guys are not aware of that

1097
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,920
kind of stuff because i thought it was

1098
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:49,839
good

1099
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,440
but you know

1100
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:55,119
the most interesting part of my email

1101
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:56,240
exchange

1102
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:57,359
with uh

1103
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,470
like uh preston dennett gives this kind

1104
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,319
of environmental speech which is really

1105
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,200
kind of silly you know that hey the e.t

1106
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,839
is here to save us and you know he's

1107
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,480
green just like us and wants to save the

1108
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,640
planet and all this other nonsense he

1109
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,720
just has no support for and is not

1110
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,280
supported by the larger data that we see

1111
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,440
and i'm an environmentalist but i i

1112
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:25,599
don't know i disagree with that i think

1113
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,480
there's a lot of uh experiencers who say

1114
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,000
this very same thing about the

1115
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:31,680
environment that that's their message

1116
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,560
and that goes all the way back to bed

1117
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,400
so so there's a lot of people say that

1118
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,400
you know what you know what a direct uh

1119
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:40,480
point on that is do you know how kenneth

1120
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:43,680
ring is yeah they're very out-of-body

1121
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,520
uh researchers

1122
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,440
near-death experience researcher and

1123
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:49,920
then got interested in the out of body

1124
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,800
and etsy you know back in the back in

1125
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:55,280
the day like in late 80s there were a

1126
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,359
lot of near-death experiencers who were

1127
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,800
coming forward there's a pattern of

1128
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,720
people saying i see

1129
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,160
these

1130
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,040
catastrophic cataclysmic environmental

1131
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,560
things happening

1132
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:10,400
and they were even specifically pointing

1133
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:11,640
to a date

1134
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,319
1988 was the date

1135
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,480
and then there was a researcher in the

1136
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:19,280
uk that actually replicated the work

1137
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,480
with other

1138
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:23,280
nde and they were all pointing towards

1139
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,079
the same date

1140
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,880
1988.

1141
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,520
of course that day came and went and

1142
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:31,520
nothing like that happened so they're

1143
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,640
really so yeah there's a lot of those

1144
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,800
stories but when we look to into

1145
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,800
independently verify that and i'm an

1146
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,800
environmentalist

1147
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:43,680
i just don't i just don't think the data

1148
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,560
for

1149
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,680
the uh cataclysmic

1150
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:49,200
global warming

1151
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:50,000
uh

1152
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,119
science hijack which has been done is

1153
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,359
supported by the scientific evidence it

1154
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,160
just clearly isn't it is clearly a scam

1155
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:01,440
it is clearly an abomination of science

1156
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,119
so the truth about the environment is

1157
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,800
going to have to be found someplace else

1158
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:09,119
because it isn't going to be found in

1159
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,839
the lies that are

1160
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:13,040
being let me ask you a question

1161
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,800
alex if you have a personal experience

1162
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,520
about any of this say ufo or climate

1163
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:20,880
change or whatever

1164
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,079
do you believe your own experience

1165
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:26,079
i i think that's an i think that's a

1166
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:27,760
great question and it's really at the

1167
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:30,640
core of a lot of this yeah it is because

1168
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,599
because like one of the things i'd say

1169
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:36,240
is that if we're really objective about

1170
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:38,839
it like look on one

1171
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,920
level none of this is real i mean

1172
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:43,680
consciousness is fundamental there is

1173
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,720
some spiritual dimension of this

1174
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,280
that makes all of this kind of silly

1175
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:50,640
right i mean

1176
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,119
we're not really

1177
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,760
doing anything we're just on this little

1178
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:57,359
space for a short period of time and

1179
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,480
then we're

1180
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,480
it appears that our consciousness

1181
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,400
survives and there is this existence

1182
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,560
before and after and in that time frame

1183
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:06,800
all this stuff is kind of

1184
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:12,950
because i i think it's an important

1185
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:15,680
question and my answer to it is

1186
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,119
i'm very i'm skeptical of my own

1187
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,440
individual experience because the

1188
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,200
evidence suggests that i should be

1189
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,520
skeptical in the same way that i said

1190
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:27,839
when ray hernandez is walking down the

1191
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:31,040
stairs and the voice inside his head his

1192
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,640
head says

1193
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,480
there's nothing going on here go back

1194
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:36,560
upstairs and go to bed well should he

1195
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,760
just

1196
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,680
he has to question

1197
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,079
that experience even though it's his own

1198
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,319
experience if you're a near-death

1199
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,640
experiencer and your

1200
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,280
your experience falls outside of the

1201
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,040
range let's say and i've interviewed a

1202
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,119
couple of people jesus it's all about

1203
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,520
jesus anyone who doesn't see jesus and

1204
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,359
doesn't have jesus as the central focus

1205
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,880
of their near-death experience it's

1206
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,079
satanic

1207
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:02,240
do they need to question their

1208
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,599
experience

1209
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,760
they do they need to look at the broader

1210
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,680
data thousands of cases that have been

1211
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,760
collected throughout all these different

1212
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,599
religious traditions and they need to

1213
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:12,960
say hmm

1214
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,680
i need to re-examine my experience i

1215
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,240
don't need to deny it but i need to

1216
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,480
maybe re-examine it because it doesn't

1217
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,960
seem to fit in this broader experience

1218
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:24,800
that's what i think

1219
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,079
okay here's something in 1987 rob and i

1220
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,160
were living in fort lauderdale and we

1221
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,319
knew two psychics renee wiley and tony

1222
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,680
grosso

1223
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,079
both were very good psychics

1224
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:38,079
but renee had this voice that was

1225
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:39,200
hypnotic

1226
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,560
and so one night we're sitting there and

1227
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,119
she goes hey let me progress you guys to

1228
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,520
the future we'll make it unspecified and

1229
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,440
tell me what you see

1230
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,680
so i said okay this sounds good rob said

1231
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,680
okay tony said fine

1232
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,839
and she started talking and i felt

1233
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:55,200
myself

1234
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:56,240
you know

1235
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,599
going to wherever that place is when

1236
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,280
you're under hypnosis

1237
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:01,359
and i saw myself

1238
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,880
as a very tall bald woman living in a

1239
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:05,760
dome

1240
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,720
because the world outside was so toxic

1241
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:09,920
it was just

1242
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,040
that image so two years later i run

1243
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,720
across a book

1244
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,880
called mass dreams of the future it was

1245
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,200
by helen wamba who was a psychologist

1246
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,440
who was known as a past life

1247
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:23,920
regressionist well apparently at one

1248
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:26,720
point she went to europe and progressed

1249
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,680
20 like over 2 000 people to the future

1250
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,400
she said 2100 she would take

1251
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,720
and one of the three scenarios that came

1252
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:35,839
out of this

1253
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,319
was a was people living in a dome

1254
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,800
just like what i saw

1255
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,040
you know and she said it was because the

1256
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,880
outside world was so toxic well for me

1257
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,720
that was kind of a confirmation of what

1258
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,079
i had seen

1259
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,960
but she she saw like three d

1260
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,720
from three three or four different

1261
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,040
options yeah options that was one of the

1262
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,599
future one was a more a primitive

1263
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:00,160
existence where there was no internet

1264
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,280
and right uh and the another one was the

1265
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:05,119
space station yeah right and there was

1266
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,400
some other

1267
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:08,160
yeah i think there were just three and

1268
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:09,599
then the dome

1269
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:10,800
yeah

1270
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,200
so anyway in 1989 my daughter was born

1271
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,960
the day after she was born it was about

1272
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,720
1 30 in the morning they'd just taken

1273
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,800
her back to the nursery so i laid back

1274
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,200
down and i hear somebody calling my name

1275
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,119
now i was not drugged i was just you

1276
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,800
know sleepy

1277
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,400
so i thought well that's weird so i sat

1278
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,880
up nobody else in the ward is awake the

1279
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,880
door's shut there's nobody standing

1280
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,119
there so i laid back down

1281
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:36,880
and i realized that the voice was

1282
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,760
internal so i said i said i said okay

1283
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,040
what is this

1284
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,240
and i had an incredibly vivid

1285
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,040
image of my daughter or a granddaughter

1286
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,440
at some point in the future and megan or

1287
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,400
whoever this was said i need to know

1288
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:55,119
what you all were doing when i was born

1289
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,800
where did you live i need all the facts

1290
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:58,800
what time was i born you know all this

1291
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,760
kind of stuff so i said why

1292
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:03,359
so because all the records have been

1293
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,559
destroyed i thought oh okay so i gave

1294
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:08,160
her the information she asked for and

1295
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,960
then i

1296
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,160
that was it

1297
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,200
but that was like another piece

1298
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:15,359
of that same progression that renee had

1299
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,160
done in 1987.

1300
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:20,480
but that's what it felt like

1301
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:22,000
but not enough right so are there any

1302
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,520
reasons are there any reasons to be

1303
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,400
uh to consider alternatives to that

1304
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,200
reality that you saw or the precognitive

1305
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:33,200
experience are there anyone who's had a

1306
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:35,680
precognitive experience that's different

1307
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,839
from yours that then we would have to

1308
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,079
kind of say well gee one has to be right

1309
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,680
one has to be wrong or there has to be

1310
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:43,839
these multiple timelines which is kind

1311
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:45,920
of impossible to go on and you know i

1312
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,400
can ian mccormick is the guy who had the

1313
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,160
near-death experience

1314
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,640
and he's it's all about jesus and if

1315
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:54,640
it's not about jesus it's about satan so

1316
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:57,200
and he's sure of that he's d he was dead

1317
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:58,800
as a matter of fact he was really dead

1318
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,280
he got bit by or stung by

1319
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,319
no he really was by uh box jellyfish you

1320
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,720
know highly toxic seven times he was in

1321
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:07,839
the morgue

1322
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,880
a couple hours in this little island so

1323
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,720
he was really there and he went and saw

1324
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,400
jesus and jesus told him all these

1325
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:17,920
things so

1326
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:21,280
who do i trust who do i trust do i trust

1327
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,480
ian he saw jesus or do i trust trish i

1328
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,079
mean you didn't see jesus on this did

1329
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,319
you jesus didn't tell you oh okay

1330
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,400
well then we gotta go with ian right

1331
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,240
oh but we got to go with ian we got to

1332
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,400
go with his story he's a christian right

1333
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,280
that's what i'm saying i mean

1334
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,880
we have to sort this out and then i'm

1335
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,880
telling you it can ring ken ring had all

1336
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,480
these near-death experiences come back

1337
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,760
and said 1988 is the end of the world

1338
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,599
yeah i don't know you know it's but this

1339
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:49,119
is something that has perplexed me my

1340
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,319
whole life

1341
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,800
you know it's it's like okay do you if

1342
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,720
you have an experience do you disbelieve

1343
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:57,520
your own experience

1344
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,640
yes

1345
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,720
be very suspicious be very skeptical of

1346
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,400
your own experience it's just an

1347
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,920
experience it's just the chattering of

1348
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:05,680
your little mind up there that we all

1349
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,000
have okay let me let let me tell you

1350
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:10,960
another story uh when tristan this is

1351
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:13,599
when trish and i first met uh

1352
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:14,480
i

1353
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,920
both

1354
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,400
involved in lives where nobody around us

1355
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,040
had any interest in that we were both uh

1356
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,599
reading these uh jane roberts seth books

1357
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,400
but nobody else was and nobody had any

1358
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:34,319
interest in these books and then we

1359
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,280
found

1360
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:37,440
when i i met her

1361
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:40,400
that we had that that in common and so

1362
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,200
uh

1363
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,760
shortly after i met her i said have you

1364
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:46,319
ever tried a ouija board uh

1365
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:47,760
let's let's pick one up and just see

1366
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:50,640
what happens so we did and

1367
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,760
we got we got this message to

1368
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:55,680
that it was coming from a ufo and that

1369
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,720
we should go to the airport and uh there

1370
00:51:04,950 --> 00:50:59,920
would be

1371
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,960
trish was living in fort lauderdale i

1372
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,800
was in hollywood

1373
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,440
so uh

1374
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,599
it was like one o'clock in the morning

1375
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,280
we went out there and we sat out there

1376
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:15,119
for uh 12 30 to

1377
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:16,559
we sat out there for

1378
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,280
over an hour you know and looking up uh

1379
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:21,599
there's there's no ufos here there's

1380
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,800
this this

1381
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:24,960
message must you know this must be a

1382
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,760
trickster of some sort so

1383
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,520
the next morning i have to get up really

1384
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:32,000
early uh and uh i'm working in a

1385
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:33,200
newspaper

1386
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,240
and i have this deadline this uh some

1387
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:38,480
kind of school board event was going on

1388
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,680
and i had to call it in uh at like 9 30

1389
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,280
or so and then i

1390
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:44,880
had to rush back to the office and

1391
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,680
follow up on it and contin

1392
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,200
fill out the story

1393
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,599
and as i finish the person on the next

1394
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,040
desk

1395
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:55,599
just was finishing her story and i look

1396
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,040
over at her

1397
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:58,880
and ask so what are you writing about

1398
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,319
and she said oh there was a ufo cited

1399
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:04,559
last night over perry airport well perry

1400
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,200
airport is the small airport 10 miles

1401
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,440
from fort lauderdale

1402
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,680
where we were yeah and so that that

1403
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:13,760
story her story was on the front page of

1404
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:16,400
the hollywood sun tatler the next uh the

1405
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,240
next uh that afternoon and uh so so that

1406
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,160
night we go let's go to perry airport

1407
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,160
and look for that ufo

1408
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,720
you do we did yeah and there's no lights

1409
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,400
at perry airport at night you know it's

1410
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:31,440
really dark there's no ufos either

1411
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:34,559
but as we're driving away trish and iron

1412
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,359
separate carson i i turn on the radio

1413
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,960
and there's an old

1414
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:40,319
fashioned type

1415
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:44,160
uh radio drama on which is strange i'm

1416
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:45,920
i just kind of gone through the channel

1417
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:48,319
so i started listening and it's about an

1418
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:50,960
alien an alien is talking in this

1419
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:53,440
story and you know it's just

1420
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,079
uh like a simple synchronicity yeah

1421
00:53:02,309 --> 00:52:59,280
you know uh we we uh years ago we told

1422
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,319
this to a ufologist very into it and he

1423
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:03,839
said well

1424
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:05,920
you didn't see any ufos you didn't meet

1425
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,110
any aliens so that's really not a story

1426
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,400
[Laughter]

1427
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:12,559
but it's very much of a paranormal

1428
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,960
psychic event you know that's very much

1429
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:16,640
synchronicity

1430
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:17,599
yeah

1431
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:20,480
oh absolutely we have no idea i mean

1432
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:23,760
what what the relationship is with uh

1433
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,520
synchronicities with out-of-body

1434
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:27,599
experiences with shamanic experiences

1435
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,920
with near-death experiences we all all

1436
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:32,160
have this sense that it's connected but

1437
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:34,079
i think this issue of truth is going to

1438
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:34,880
keep

1439
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,240
is central to how we move forward and i

1440
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,880
just don't think we can

1441
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:44,400
like again and and i really mean this

1442
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,760
sincerely what i was saying at the

1443
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,839
beginning i'd like to explore this more

1444
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,680
because

1445
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,119
you guys are coming at this from a

1446
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,520
different perspective which is a very

1447
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,839
very valid perspective it is your and

1448
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,599
it's also your lived experience you guys

1449
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:59,520
are storytellers

1450
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:00,319
so

1451
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:02,720
i can come on pretty strong because i'm

1452
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,119
trying to jar you out of that mindset

1453
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,599
because that is not my mindset i am not

1454
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:10,000
interested in people's stories i don't

1455
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:12,880
give a [\h__\h] about your story i wan i'm

1456
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,680
under this fantasy that i can move

1457
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,839
towards something closer to what we

1458
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,280
would call truth

1459
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:21,680
so how do you see that

1460
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,839
playing out how do you see that drama

1461
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,280
playing out because you guys are also

1462
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,680
you know news reporters i mean do you

1463
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,040
understand that you have to get the

1464
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:32,240
story right it has to be truthful right

1465
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,160
i was what's that dynamic what's that

1466
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:36,000
push and pull you know i pushed pretty

1467
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,520
hard on preston dennett trying to get a

1468
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:39,440
reaction out of you guys

1469
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,960
well the thing is what you're talking

1470
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,960
about is what's why the world was so

1471
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,040
screwed up now because there's so much

1472
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:47,760
disinformation about everything and so

1473
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:49,280
the united states the people are just

1474
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,799
totally divided

1475
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,720
what's ever thus

1476
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:54,880
is there a time when it wasn't

1477
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:57,440
well now when i was part i i always

1478
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:58,960
really you know i always point out

1479
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,799
things

1480
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:02,400
i don't know

1481
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,720
50 years ago uh during the uh uh time

1482
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,119
when people were really divide invited

1483
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:11,200
again that uh this

1484
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:14,000
was uh was the same thing it was uh kind

1485
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:18,839
of the hippie era and the leftist uh

1486
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:22,799
uh and the the the uh people on the

1487
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,799
right were at each other's throats

1488
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,400
basically and

1489
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:27,920
i always like to i also like to remind

1490
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:30,559
people about gloria steinem right

1491
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,480
gloria steinem who like we needed a

1492
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,400
woman's movement

1493
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,960
women were in a you know i think about i

1494
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,359
was reference my mom you know my mom

1495
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,000
didn't have any options she's very

1496
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,480
artistic intelligent you know she didn't

1497
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:49,040
have any options that she could do and

1498
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,960
it led to some really bad things in her

1499
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,720
life because she couldn't you know

1500
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,640
express herself i think that's part of

1501
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,160
the reason why she

1502
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,559
so we needed a woman's movement

1503
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,799
but we didn't need the freaking cia to

1504
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:02,480
run the women's movement

1505
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,359
gloria steinem was cia and what a lot of

1506
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:06,960
people don't real

1507
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:10,240
how can you not know that um

1508
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,040
just

1509
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,160
she wasn't well she can go look in her

1510
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:16,640
own words see so in the here's the

1511
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:17,680
double

1512
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,960
thing that you'll get so somebody outs

1513
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,280
glorious dynam and then gloria steinem

1514
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,799
has to respond and you can watch the old

1515
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:26,160
black and white thing where she responds

1516
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:27,440
she goes yes

1517
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,640
i did cooperate with the cia but

1518
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,880
i had to do it because this was too

1519
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,640
important of a movement and i found them

1520
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,680
to be

1521
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:37,440
really not what you think you know

1522
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:38,799
they're really progressive and all the

1523
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,520
rest

1524
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,599
well sounds good but it's [\h__\h]

1525
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:43,520
because the truth is if you go look at

1526
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,799
her past she was cia before she started

1527
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,200
the movies the women's movement she was

1528
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,760
cia from the beginning she was cia when

1529
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,079
she was working with the

1530
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:56,240
student movement and then she was

1531
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:59,359
interjected into this just like they

1532
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,079
co-opted the ufo uh

1533
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:03,839
movement right so there's all these

1534
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,960
people

1535
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,880
so hold on we got to finish this story

1536
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:08,319
we got what we're going to talk about

1537
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,440
we're going to talk about your story

1538
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,359
peter lamenda but the point you can't

1539
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:13,359
slip off of gloria steinem because

1540
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,680
because gloria steinem if you didn't

1541
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,319
know that then you lived through the you

1542
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,799
lived through that whole era thinking

1543
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,480
wow aren't things

1544
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:24,640
aren't things really kind of great and

1545
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,680
once you understand the death story

1546
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,599
but you know the point the point's the

1547
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:31,680
same it's like you're saying wow the

1548
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,400
disinformation misinformation is so bad

1549
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,640
now in a lot of ways i could say it's

1550
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,640
worse back then because you didn't even

1551
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:40,880
know it but what did she what did she do

1552
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,640
that affected us in a

1553
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:44,720
negative way regarding this yeah [\h__\h]

1554
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:46,799
rob that's the wrong [\h__\h] question

1555
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:50,720
isn't it she was run by the [\h__\h] cia

1556
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,599
why would we why would we why would that

1557
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:56,000
would be the question

1558
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:57,359
was interesting business women's

1559
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,680
movement what business does the cia have

1560
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:03,839
in socially engineering the women's

1561
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,400
movement what business do they have what

1562
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:08,880
was their purpose what was their purpose

1563
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:12,160
yeah well let's go find out go ask them

1564
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,760
but the point no you guys are missing

1565
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,680
the point the point isn't that's like

1566
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,520
saying you know what was uh what was

1567
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,520
gobel's purpose why did goebbels you

1568
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:21,280
know generate all that propaganda what

1569
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,400
was his purpose

1570
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,400
no the point is that if he was

1571
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,960
controlling the information flow then

1572
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,760
you have to be suspicious so if gloria

1573
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:31,920
and then if gloria steinem was

1574
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,880
was cia and if she was cia before she

1575
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,960
ever entered the women's movement that

1576
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,200
tells the story you can't then work

1577
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:41,280
backwards what is the story

1578
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,319
and what what

1579
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,040
she was cia the story is she was cia i

1580
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,520
mean so is so is so is harry geller you

1581
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:49,520
know i mean uri geller works with a lot

1582
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,240
of intelligence he's mossad he was he's

1583
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,960
mossad right right he was doing you know

1584
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:56,480
uh

1585
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,839
know if it's just bending spoons for the

1586
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:04,480
cia and the mossad or whatever but he

1587
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:07,760
was he was working with them uh and you

1588
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:08,880
know i mean

1589
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:11,839
that he was he was hired by them uh and

1590
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:13,520
that's one of the

1591
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,040
ways he became

1592
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,280
and also a lot of private uh people as

1593
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,280
well in business

1594
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:21,280
he became a multi-millionaire and lives

1595
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:24,079
in a capsule and uh so he made use of

1596
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,559
his abilities and the ways

1597
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:28,960
that uh that he could but i don't think

1598
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,280
he thinks that he did anything really

1599
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:33,680
terrible he was trying to you know help

1600
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,760
help people out i think

1601
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,680
maybe i don't know

1602
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,839
well have you ever had him on

1603
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:41,680
have yuri geller on

1604
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,799
no i i

1605
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,839
well

1606
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:45,040
can you know

1607
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:48,319
like i i don't quite understand where

1608
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,839
where you're going with that i mean the

1609
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:51,920
important thing to me in that story is

1610
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:56,640
that yes uh eric geller was uh mossad he

1611
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,520
was cia and our intelligence agencies

1612
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:00,880
were deeply

1613
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,960
i mean try this on for size here's where

1614
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:04,799
i take that

1615
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:07,760
our intelligence agencies were deeply

1616
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:11,359
deeply interested in operationalizing

1617
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,160
weapon weaponizing extended

1618
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,240
consciousness

1619
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:18,480
at the same time

1620
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:21,440
they were perpetuating this false

1621
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,400
narrative among academia that still

1622
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,240
persists to this day

1623
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,480
that there is no such thing as extended

1624
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:30,640
consciousness there's nothing to see

1625
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:33,040
here folks don't worry about it none of

1626
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:39,270
i think that's changing

1627
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:40,799
i do

1628
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:44,480
can i play a clip uh yeah john play clip

1629
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:47,359
but do i have the ability to um you yeah

1630
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:50,000
just uh share your screen

1631
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:51,040
okay

1632
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,440
this is from my

1633
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:01,440
and and by the way when when you guys

1634
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,920
get done before we uh before we sign off

1635
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:05,760
i've got i've got a question that might

1636
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:07,520
be like it's not related to any of this

1637
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,960
but i would be interested in getting a

1638
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,400
response from alex

1639
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:13,359
maybe maybe a post show clip but uh

1640
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,359
uh after show uh after credit scene yeah

1641
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:19,599
hey you gotta john you're gonna have to

1642
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:22,559
allow me to share my screen

1643
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,319
okay i think you go over to

1644
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:27,040
participation cia be careful

1645
01:01:30,490 --> 01:01:28,240
no

1646
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,500
the defense department yeah dod

1647
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,400
[Laughter]

1648
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:34,799
oh man is that true john really it is

1649
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,799
that is true man yeah i'm i'm a software

1650
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:39,839
engineer

1651
01:01:43,620 --> 01:01:42,319
just like you so just like me okay oh

1652
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,630
then you're good thank you yeah

1653
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,599
[Laughter]

1654
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:48,000
um let's see yeah

1655
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:50,000
i have i don't guess this has ever come

1656
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,839
up

1657
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:52,880
before i don't think it is

1658
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:55,760
that's no big i i can just talk you

1659
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,520
through it

1660
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,440
i just i just published this interview

1661
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,920
with this terrific guy dr gregory

1662
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:03,200
shushan

1663
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:07,119
who is uh you know oxford college london

1664
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,240
i mean just very recognized scholar

1665
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:12,160
see if it'll let you know i just i just

1666
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:15,200
uh okay change the set

1667
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:22,230
okay here it comes

1668
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:27,349
okay

1669
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:31,280
here's dr gregory shashan i'll just play

1670
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:32,530
this

1671
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:34,240
[Music]

1672
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,079
a show about finding truth in science

1673
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:40,079
there actually were a lot of accounts

1674
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:42,559
overtly saying this particular person

1675
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,799
died went to the other world and came

1676
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:46,960
back and that's how we know what the

1677
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,119
afterlife was like i found you know

1678
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:51,359
40 50 60 of them from different parts of

1679
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:52,319
the world

1680
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:54,400
so that's not in dispute

1681
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:56,000
the idea that

1682
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:57,680
for all these thousands of years in

1683
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,559
pretty much every cultural region of the

1684
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:02,480
planet people have just been making

1685
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,119
things up and let's instead

1686
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:06,960
look at the world through our own sort

1687
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,400
of mechanistic

1688
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,280
materialistic scientific viewpoint

1689
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:13,280
and say that no it's all culture and

1690
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:15,039
it's all in the brain

1691
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:17,039
to me that's a pretty limited way of

1692
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:18,480
looking at the world and that to me

1693
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,480
seems completely illogical and

1694
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:22,799
unreasonable and it's faith rather than

1695
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:25,440
science it's people sticking to their

1696
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:28,079
predetermined philosophical paradigms

1697
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:29,280
rather than looking at the actual

1698
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:32,000
evidence and extrapolating from it

1699
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,480
and a show about spotting scientists who

1700
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:36,640
are full of baloney

1701
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:38,799
i don't have any answer in the bible

1702
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:42,559
what to do when humans are no longer

1703
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,480
useful to the economy

1704
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,799
you need completely new ideologies

1705
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,559
completely new religions

1706
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:50,880
and they are likely to emerge from

1707
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,480
silicon valley

1708
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:54,160
everything that the old religions

1709
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:55,440
promised

1710
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:58,640
happiness and justice and even eternal

1711
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:02,079
life but here on earth with the help of

1712
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:05,359
technology and not after death with the

1713
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:07,839
help of some supernatural being

1714
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:10,640
what are humans for

1715
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,880
as far as we know for nothing i mean

1716
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:14,319
there is

1717
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:19,920
great cosmic plan

1718
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:22,720
that we have a role to play in it

1719
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:25,280
uh this has been the story of

1720
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:27,200
all religions and ideologies and so

1721
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:30,000
forth but as a scientist the best i can

1722
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:32,000
say this is not true

1723
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:33,920
first clip you heard was from today's

1724
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:36,480
guest dr gregory shushaun who seemed to

1725
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:38,319
be a little bit embarrassed when i said

1726
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:40,799
he's doing some of the most important

1727
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:44,000
work in science period full stop

1728
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:46,240
so in this introduction i had to pair

1729
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:49,760
his quote with one from a science

1730
01:04:55,829 --> 01:04:53,359
darling right now dr yuval harari who is

1731
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:55,839
name dropped by barack obama and bill

1732
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:57,599
gates and zuckerberg and has sold 30

1733
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:59,680
million books and is on 60 minutes and

1734
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:01,839
is all over the place and of course is

1735
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:03,280
one of the key members in the world

1736
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:05,599
economic forum great reset that's just

1737
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:07,920
the way it is but as that quote reveals

1738
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:10,880
he's really not too well informed on

1739
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:13,440
science is he at least on the science

1740
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:17,359
we've explored here on skeptica he's

1741
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:20,079
certainly not up to date on why we're

1742
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:22,799
not biological robots in a meaningless

1743
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:26,640
universe ah but we shall leave all

1744
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:28,160
okay so i'll leave that alone but that

1745
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:30,559
directly contradicts what you just said

1746
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:33,440
trish no it's not changing

1747
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:34,640
this guy

1748
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:37,760
is the lead guy right now in terms of

1749
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:38,960
science

1750
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:41,920
and he's saying exactly the opposite of

1751
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:44,559
what you're saying no there is no remote

1752
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:47,119
viewing that never really happened yuri

1753
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,119
never bent those spoons none of that

1754
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:51,839
stuff happened you were a biological

1755
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:53,200
that is

1756
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,720
you're saying you know yeah and it's not

1757
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,280
changing it's not changing it's not

1758
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:01,599
there isn't this big momentum or any

1759
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:03,039
it's not true

1760
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:04,720
i'm not saying that science is changing

1761
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:07,760
i'm saying that people are shifting

1762
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:10,400
no everybody took the jab they took the

1763
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:11,359
jab

1764
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:15,039
global warming they're not changing they

1765
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,119
don't understand science the problem

1766
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:19,200
with global warming isn't that we

1767
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,280
shouldn't care about the environment the

1768
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:23,520
problem with global warming is that it

1769
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:26,160
isn't supported by the science sea level

1770
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:29,200
right sea levels haven't risen in 40

1771
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:30,640
years in

1772
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,599
forever

1773
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,760
no it's just not true go look at the

1774
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:37,680
data in the miami beach they've been

1775
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:40,400
collecting that data forever go look at

1776
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:42,559
the data they've collected no it hasn't

1777
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,430
drive down there

1778
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,680
after a rainstorm and see how it's

1779
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,880
flooded

1780
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:00,400
that's

1781
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:02,720
trish when you say it's [\h__\h] what i

1782
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:04,640
interpret that to me based on what i

1783
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,839
just said is there are people

1784
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:09,839
scientists i should say

1785
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:12,319
who have for the longest time been

1786
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:14,960
collecting the sea level recording the

1787
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:17,920
sea level right of miami beach they do

1788
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:21,440
it in a is a precise way as possible

1789
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,000
i would challenge you to go look at

1790
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:26,400
their data and see if their data

1791
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:29,200
confirms your observation your

1792
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:30,960
individual observation of how it looks

1793
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:33,839
after a storm i think you'll find

1794
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:36,400
that's not true that's not it isn't alex

1795
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:38,480
listen okay one day that's true what's

1796
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:43,109
what's not true is that

1797
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,480
the

1798
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:46,240
what you're saying is not true because

1799
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:49,520
there is flooding in areas like alton

1800
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:52,000
road that have never flooded before and

1801
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,640
it's scientifically now yeah and it's

1802
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,480
scientifically verified we hear it all

1803
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:58,160
the time it's there's a lot of evidence

1804
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:59,920
you're not looking at the right evidence

1805
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:01,359
everybody's

1806
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:05,119
you know and they're smarter

1807
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:07,200
here's the well then then what we can

1808
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:12,000
what we could probably agree on is that

1809
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:14,240
there is an official record

1810
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:16,159
of the sea level

1811
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,000
that they've recorded probably for the

1812
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:20,239
last at least 50 years

1813
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:23,359
in miami beach they record it every day

1814
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,279
the scientists do

1815
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:27,839
if that data shows that the fever level

1816
01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:30,719
hasn't risen significantly then you are

1817
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,040
wrong and i am right because that's the

1818
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,359
only measure we have is for the last 50

1819
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:37,359
years they've been measuring sea level

1820
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,960
and they have the data and they publish

1821
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:40,880
the data and that's the data we would

1822
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:43,120
look at right to answer that question

1823
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:45,120
isn't that what we'd look at

1824
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,759
let me i think uh if

1825
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:48,960
okay let's say

1826
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:50,719
let's say accuweather

1827
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,239
don't you have to don't you have to

1828
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:54,719
answer that question is that whether

1829
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:57,679
whether or not the official sea level

1830
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:59,679
that they've recorded in miami beach for

1831
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,640
the last

1832
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:02,000
flooding

1833
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,359
that's a different question you're

1834
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:05,120
slipping no it's part of the same

1835
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:07,040
question it's part i don't know why it's

1836
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:09,920
flooding i i don't i don't have an

1837
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,920
answer to that all i can tell you is

1838
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:13,920
your assumption that because some road

1839
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:16,640
flooded is not the best way to look at

1840
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:17,520
that

1841
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:18,480
better

1842
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:19,279
yeah it's

1843
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:22,799
a regular occurrence right you know

1844
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:26,159
you guys but you understand

1845
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:27,679
in fort lauderdale they're building a

1846
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:29,600
huge they're planning on building a huge

1847
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:30,400
wall

1848
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:33,600
uh to keep uh

1849
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:36,319
from uh you know the rising tides from

1850
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:38,560
coming into the city you know i mean are

1851
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:40,880
are they just joking is it

1852
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:43,600
[\h__\h] is it all [\h__\h] just because

1853
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:46,880
you know uh there's certain people that

1854
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,520
are uh

1855
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,279
have uh

1856
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:53,120
a different outlook about it that

1857
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,560
doesn't conform to you know what uh

1858
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:59,280
majority of scientists are saying i mean

1859
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:00,080
there's

1860
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,040
science say that i agree with and that's

1861
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:07,520
in health for instance they don't i

1862
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:10,800
don't think agree with them about ufos

1863
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:13,520
and about the nature of reality in terms

1864
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,320
of life after death they're wrong there

1865
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:18,719
but some things

1866
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,000
are they're right about and uh you know

1867
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,320
and and health is one thing and i think

1868
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:26,719
the global warming is another that

1869
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:29,840
they're right about 99 of people uh of

1870
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:32,159
scientists agree with that that's

1871
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,400
actually not a true figure at all and i

1872
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,320
can show you where that's

1873
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,560
and here is kind of one of my go-to

1874
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:40,239
people she is a

1875
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:42,800
climatologist at georgia tech university

1876
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:45,600
like legitimate climate silent scientist

1877
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:48,400
and her name is judith curry and you

1878
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:50,000
know here's her special report on sea

1879
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:52,239
level rise from a couple years ago spent

1880
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:55,760
18 months looking so you can't

1881
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:57,679
like you guys are not really

1882
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,080
approaching this scientifically in terms

1883
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,480
of saying okay we could measure things

1884
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:04,480
scientifically and then when you're

1885
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,840
confronted with that you kind of want to

1886
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:07,440
slide off of that and say well no that

1887
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:09,520
doesn't matter it's like

1888
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,760
maybe it doesn't matter in this grander

1889
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,440
kind of thing that we don't have to kind

1890
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:15,280
of care we can all have our own story in

1891
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,960
our own narrative but if we're going to

1892
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:19,040
play this consensus reality game if

1893
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:20,880
we're going to play the game of science

1894
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:23,199
then we would look at we would kind of

1895
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:25,920
agree that this is the way that we do it

1896
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:27,920
so if you're looking at the issue of

1897
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:30,719
global warming you could reduce it down

1898
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:32,719
to one question

1899
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,880
have sea levels

1900
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:35,920
risen

1901
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,040
because it's like

1902
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:39,600
ask the polar bears

1903
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,360
rob do you understand that that's not

1904
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:43,840
that's not scientific you can't go and

1905
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:46,960
ask why is that not scientific

1906
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:49,360
i don't understand why you don't you

1907
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:50,320
don't

1908
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,199
do you

1909
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,960
if if you're

1910
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:54,800
it's like have you studied what's going

1911
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:57,280
on with the polar bears yeah i i have

1912
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:59,199
but you realize that's a deer you think

1913
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:01,040
that's a joke

1914
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:02,320
you're you know you're wrong on the

1915
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:05,120
polar bears and you can't go research

1916
01:12:08,229 --> 01:12:06,560
but here's my point

1917
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:08,239
here's no you're not but here's the

1918
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,920
point is that

1919
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:11,840
you would if you were going to approach

1920
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:14,320
things scientifically you would kind of

1921
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:17,360
agree on certain criteria that you would

1922
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:19,840
measure to come up with your scientific

1923
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:22,000
hypothesis that's how science that's how

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01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:24,320
science is done it's a controlled

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01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,239
experiment you don't talk about an

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01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:28,400
experiment and then have somebody lob in

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01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:30,080
from the sideline what about the

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01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:33,600
freaking polar bears no you go on one

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01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:37,760
experiment at a time so it's like

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01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:40,719
you're making it sound like our our i

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01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:43,120
what are we're saying is

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01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:44,800
you know something

1933
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,960
on the fringe you're on the fringe we're

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01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,120
not on the fringe at all about climate

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01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,040
change you are very out on the fringe

1936
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,440
you know it too well you know you would

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01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,520
you would have you would have to

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01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:57,520
back that assertion up

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01:13:02,070 --> 01:13:00,560
by scientifically right so like one of

1940
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:02,080
the things like you you repeated this

1941
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:04,000
thing that is completely connected but

1942
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:06,000
journalistically

1943
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:07,520
well

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01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,040
again i mean i don't trust you don't

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01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:11,440
trust the mainstream media do you

1946
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:13,600
you think it's no fake news

1947
01:13:16,830 --> 01:13:14,719
am i right

1948
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,840
what are you come on why are you why are

1949
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,360
you laughing lobbying these things at me

1950
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,360
like when you said the 97 we're outing

1951
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:23,760
you we're outing you alex

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01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,600
we want the sun

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01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,120
skeptical

1954
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:29,760
you got it you'll get it

1955
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:30,560
so

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01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:33,520
like if you take uh dr judith curry and

1957
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:36,400
she also did uh a great thing on the

1958
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:40,000
manufactured consensus thing the 97

1959
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:41,520
consensus

1960
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:44,159
that came primarily from a paper

1961
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,679
published by a guy named cook

1962
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:49,679
cook remember that because he cooked the

1963
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:51,040
books

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01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:52,719
what cook did

1965
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:55,920
to come up with that 97 percent figure

1966
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:58,719
is he hired a bunch of grad students

1967
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,880
to read the abstracts

1968
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:03,120
from all these papers

1969
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:05,920
and he asked them to evaluate based on

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01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:07,679
the abstract

1971
01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:10,800
whether or not that person was for or

1972
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,840
against the proposition

1973
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,080
of uh

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01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:16,560
man-made global warming

1975
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:18,000
that seemed like you're going to throw

1976
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:19,840
polar bears in here at some point but

1977
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:22,560
what i'm telling you is the methodology

1978
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,360
that cook used in coming up with his

1979
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,840
conclusions the reason that's a bad

1980
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:30,159
methodology is pretty obvious

1981
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:31,520
one

1982
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:33,920
you can't have grad students if that

1983
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:36,159
isn't really asking a scientist what he

1984
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:37,199
thinks

1985
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,560
that's

1986
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,560
how about all the other let me finish

1987
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:42,800
let me just finish the thought so what

1988
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:43,760
so what

1989
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:46,880
dr judith kirby curry did who is a real

1990
01:14:51,229 --> 01:14:49,040
climatologist

1991
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:51,239
she relied on the survey of

1992
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:52,880
climatologist

1993
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,840
and she found that the real number is 52

1994
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:57,199
percent

1995
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:00,239
found agreed with the idea that

1996
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:03,120
human factors

1997
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,920
probably are causing or contributing to

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01:15:11,350 --> 01:15:07,440
global warming

1999
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:11,360
so the question then becomes why was the

2000
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:13,600
if anyone can figure it out and i've had

2001
01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:15,920
you know people like you who are

2002
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:18,159
kind of catastrophic global warming

2003
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:20,560
people on the show and when you show

2004
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:23,280
them the cook numbers and you show them

2005
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,120
the methodology go well that's clearly a

2006
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:27,920
shitty methodology no one should come to

2007
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:29,600
that conclusion based on that

2008
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:32,080
methodology it's just poor it's not

2009
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:34,000
doing what you say you're doing so then

2010
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:35,520
the question is

2011
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:38,719
why is obama repeating that why is bush

2012
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:42,239
repeating that why is that on nasa is

2013
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:44,800
like are they just like oh my gosh they

2014
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:47,280
didn't know it you know no they're

2015
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:49,920
perpetuating it because that is the goal

2016
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,199
of what they're they're trying to

2017
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:53,760
manufacture so we don't have any alex so

2018
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,960
the bottom line is we don't have

2019
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,480
anything to worry about right there's no

2020
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:58,880
global warming everything's cool i

2021
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:01,600
didn't say that i didn't say that i said

2022
01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:02,320
then

2023
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,400
i think that if you want to understand

2024
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:06,640
these questions you have to go about it

2025
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:09,760
in a scientific methodical way you can't

2026
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:12,320
just let your emotions carry you you

2027
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:14,719
can't just say oh i had a dream and i

2028
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:17,199
saw the world collapsing therefore i'm

2029
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:19,360
going to live my life as this the world

2030
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:21,520
is going to collapse maybe the world is

2031
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,440
going to collapse but the other data

2032
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:25,280
that i pointed out to you is true

2033
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:28,159
kenneth ring had near-death experiencers

2034
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:29,920
say that the world was going to end in

2035
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:32,560
1988 and it didn't the other thing i

2036
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,159
told you about the christian uh you can

2037
01:16:38,709 --> 01:16:36,000
go listen to him those are his words on

2038
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:38,719
the show right people can believe a lot

2039
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:41,520
of weird things and but what really

2040
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:44,320
worries me is when i tried to just apply

2041
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:47,280
like common sense like down-to-earth

2042
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:49,360
logic that haven't they been recording

2043
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:52,000
the level of the sea level in miami for

2044
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:54,480
50 years why would we not want to rely

2045
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:57,120
on that data you guys just totally blew

2046
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,600
a gasket no we can't rely on what we've

2047
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:01,360
been doing for the last 50 years this is

2048
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:02,640
new we got to worry about the polar

2049
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,199
bears and the roads no no no alex you're

2050
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:07,440
that that's total [\h__\h]

2051
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:09,040
we're not that dramatic what we're

2052
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:10,480
saying is that

2053
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:11,679
you

2054
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:14,800
i've lived here since 1963

2055
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:16,960
things have changed since 1963

2056
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:19,360
weather-wise just

2057
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:20,480
you know

2058
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:22,239
i don't need to look at science to know

2059
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,159
that i mean you don't always look at

2060
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:26,159
science uh alex i mean you believe in

2061
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,159
pizzagate for christ's sake i mean

2062
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,239
that's crazy that's totally that's right

2063
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:32,239
that's a great one in the time in the

2064
01:17:36,070 --> 01:17:34,000
time that we have left what do you

2065
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:36,080
understand pizzagate to be

2066
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:37,920
i don't want to get into it i just don't

2067
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:40,800
no no no no no no you brought it up pal

2068
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:43,440
but what do you understand pizzagate

2069
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:45,040
well is it something against hillary

2070
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:46,400
clinton right

2071
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:47,440
right then

2072
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:50,880
very much okay hillary clinton had

2073
01:17:56,830 --> 01:17:53,440
had this basement under a pizza shop and

2074
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:56,840
she was screwing boys or something

2075
01:18:02,630 --> 01:17:59,840
uh uh some sex thing is totally

2076
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:02,640
ridiculous and as a result of the right

2077
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,400
wing uh

2078
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:07,040
conspiracy theory about this uh saying

2079
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:08,480
it over and over again when you say

2080
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:10,159
something over and over again like trump

2081
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:11,040
says

2082
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:13,280
things over your life people start to

2083
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:15,440
believe it and so some guy came with a

2084
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:18,480
shotgun or a rifle into that pizza shop

2085
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:20,800
looking for the basement

2086
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:22,719
and you don't really believe this do you

2087
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,920
alex see rob you're you're so incredibly

2088
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,679
misinformed i don't believe you spew

2089
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:29,440
this stuff out like that here's what

2090
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:31,760
here's what pizzagate was four days

2091
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:33,600
before the election

2092
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:36,320
this is uh hillary versus trump

2093
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:40,480
wikileaks wikileaks released a batch of

2094
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,120
emails from john podesta

2095
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:45,199
and the emails were

2096
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:46,640
all about this

2097
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,040
kind of they were salacious particularly

2098
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,360
about this spirit cooking thing and they

2099
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:53,120
were designing someone who's an artist

2100
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:55,520
it was an art let me let me finish

2101
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:57,440
because you just there's so many things

2102
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:59,040
that you said they're just completely

2103
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,440
not true you can verify but here's what

2104
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,360
you will relate no it's not you're right

2105
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:05,600
you're right it's not true

2106
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:06,960
you don't know what you're talking about

2107
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:07,920
pal

2108
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:10,960
but the emails were designed to

2109
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:13,920
undermine hillary's campaign they were

2110
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:17,280
an intentional operation in order for

2111
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:18,960
trump to get elected that's why they

2112
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,520
released him four days before they were

2113
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:24,000
in operation to undermine hillary to

2114
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:26,080
paint her as a satanist to paint her

2115
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:27,760
assistant friendly

2116
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:29,600
well don't say obviously rob just said

2117
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:31,520
it was a bunch of different [\h__\h] this is

2118
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:33,600
what pizzagate was and if you look at

2119
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:35,840
the history of elections they always do

2120
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,520
these things like

2121
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,600
four days three days ahead of time they

2122
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:41,199
don't do them two weeks ahead of time

2123
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:42,719
because then they get debunked and all

2124
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:45,280
the rest that that's what pizzagate was

2125
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:47,679
well when they released those emails

2126
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:50,480
john podesta's emails

2127
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:54,400
there was this uh public kind of

2128
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:55,199
uh

2129
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:57,679
you know it was the group sourcing kind

2130
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:59,360
of thing back in the day where we're all

2131
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:01,600
used to it but then everyone on social

2132
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:03,840
media particularly people who were

2133
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,480
energized in this in a right-wing way

2134
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:08,400
started searching through these emails

2135
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,159
started looking for connections

2136
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,480
certainly they found a connection with a

2137
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:14,560
guy who was across the street this guy

2138
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:17,040
named james alifantas who ran this pizza

2139
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:20,400
place he ran a pizza place well it turns

2140
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:22,400
out he was also one of the 50 most

2141
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:25,679
influential people in washington dc and

2142
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:28,400
he was rated as such by this magazine

2143
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:30,000
and he had all these connections to

2144
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,360
hillary clinton and all these other

2145
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:33,600
people and there were some very very

2146
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:35,440
shady things in his background and he

2147
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,239
got out he had they trolled through his

2148
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:40,960
instagram and they found all this

2149
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:43,520
kind of soft kitty porn stuff that he

2150
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,360
was commenting on and doing all the rest

2151
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:47,360
of this stuff the point is it was

2152
01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:49,199
expected hillary clinton have to do with

2153
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:51,440
all that nothing you're missing the

2154
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:54,880
point rob i'm giving you facts

2155
01:21:01,750 --> 01:20:58,000
you're missing the point rob the point

2156
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:01,760
is it was effective at undermining

2157
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,760
hillary's campaign it was effective at

2158
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:07,920
being one of the contributing factors

2159
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:11,199
but it was a lie it was a lie

2160
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:12,840
don't you agree again

2161
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:16,800
rob get a grip

2162
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:20,239
the emails were real that no one ever

2163
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:21,679
denied

2164
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,159
john podesta never came out and said

2165
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:26,480
those aren't my emails i never sent

2166
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:28,639
those emails i never received those

2167
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:32,000
emails those emails were in fact true

2168
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:34,239
and accurate the interpretation that

2169
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,920
people made about those emails

2170
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:37,440
particularly people

2171
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:39,600
in the christian i'm not christian

2172
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:41,760
people in the christian right

2173
01:21:46,629 --> 01:21:44,400
the the their outr their outrage over

2174
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:46,639
their emails are a separate thing

2175
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:49,040
but again you you're you're just wrong

2176
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:51,280
rob they weren't a lie they were real

2177
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:54,800
emails and they really did inspire a lot

2178
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:57,280
of people to vote against hillary

2179
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:00,639
clinton clinton that whole operation

2180
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:04,080
was called pizzagate rob that's what

2181
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,400
pizzagate was hang on a second because

2182
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:08,480
because we're way off track and we're

2183
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:10,239
never we're not gonna go we're not gonna

2184
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,719
we're not gonna resolve any of this so

2185
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,880
we can totally resolve it that's just

2186
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:17,040
factual anyone can go look that up well

2187
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,880
well no no no no i'm just saying that

2188
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:20,719
between the three of

2189
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:22,880
you we're not gonna resolve this i don't

2190
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:25,199
think you can pull the i think quickly i

2191
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:28,800
i think we can both agree uh all of us

2192
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:29,600
agree

2193
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,719
that

2194
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:32,000
there was

2195
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:33,840
no basement

2196
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:34,800
below

2197
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,440
the pizza shop so you're wrong on all

2198
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:39,199
the other stuff you said and now you're

2199
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,639
going to lay something else on because

2200
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:42,320
you're so well informed you're going to

2201
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:44,000
tell us this next part so tell us the

2202
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:50,709
there is no basement first of all below

2203
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:53,120
the pizza i think i think the pizza shop

2204
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:55,280
i think we agree with that so there were

2205
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:57,600
no pedophiles and hillary clinton had

2206
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:59,120
nothing to do with i think we can all

2207
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:00,880
agree with that

2208
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:04,000
i i i'm just going off of the facts that

2209
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:06,960
we have that do you disagree on anything

2210
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:08,719
do you disagree with anything that i've

2211
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:10,960
said do you disagree with anything that

2212
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:13,040
i've said

2213
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:17,120
do you disagree yeah there was there was

2214
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:20,159
yeah podesta had emails so what and

2215
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,960
there was this art show that related to

2216
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,440
this thing you're talking about yeah

2217
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:27,520
i agree but your

2218
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:30,159
people it's been exploited basically for

2219
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:33,280
the election you're right i agree

2220
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:35,760
okay john so the emails the emails

2221
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:39,280
reference spirit cooking which was very

2222
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:41,600
offensive to a lot of people of a kind

2223
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:42,320
of

2224
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:44,719
christian persuasion and then you'd have

2225
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:47,199
to understand what spirit cooking is and

2226
01:23:52,629 --> 01:23:50,560
you'd have to understand what uh crowley

2227
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:52,639
you know is the guy who kind of directed

2228
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:55,120
that so you'd have to dive deep into the

2229
01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:57,040
occult and understand that and you'd

2230
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,239
have to come in an intelligent

2231
01:24:01,750 --> 01:24:00,320
conversation but i want you to i just

2232
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:01,760
want you to own

2233
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:06,880
because what you said was just not you

2234
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:09,199
you started out by saying alex you

2235
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:11,280
believe in pizzagate and i've just

2236
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:12,880
demonstrated to you that you have no

2237
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:15,520
idea what pizzagate was you had it all

2238
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:18,320
wrong that's what pizzagate was now the

2239
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,800
fact that a guy did take a gun and go

2240
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:22,639
shoot up that that

2241
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:25,040
that restaurant and he really just shot

2242
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,159
the safe is what has become

2243
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:30,960
the meme that people like you pick up on

2244
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:33,920
and say that's pizzagate some right wing

2245
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:36,560
nut conspiracy theorist shot up this

2246
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:38,480
thing it's much more accurate to say

2247
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,120
what pizzagate was was these

2248
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:42,960
these emails that were released in an

2249
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:45,120
attempt to undermine hillary clinton's

2250
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:48,320
campaign by painting her to be connected

2251
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:49,040
to

2252
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:51,360
practices and well particularly what

2253
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:53,440
they what really stuck was that she was

2254
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:56,159
connected to occult practices and

2255
01:25:02,229 --> 01:24:59,840
satanic practices and that had a a dense

2256
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,239
a very substantial i don't we don't know

2257
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:04,080
how substantial but it definitely had an

2258
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:06,159
impact on her campaign right so you just

2259
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:09,040
got that wrong and so when you say you

2260
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:10,960
believe in pizzagate then you that would

2261
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:12,639
mean that you believe all of this stuff

2262
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:15,280
about hillary clinton

2263
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:16,480
right

2264
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:18,719
no rob i just told you what pizzagate is

2265
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:20,159
go back and look it up that's what

2266
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:21,920
pizzagate originally was you had it

2267
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:24,639
wrong so you had it wrong i had it right

2268
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:27,440
that's okay we can move on

2269
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,719
okay

2270
01:25:32,229 --> 01:25:30,400
well you're not right about miami beach

2271
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,239
i'll tell you that

2272
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:34,800
we'll only know if you send me the tide

2273
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:36,639
records which we've had for the 50 years

2274
01:25:40,229 --> 01:25:38,159
and then you show me that it's risen

2275
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:40,239
right that'd be the way to see whether

2276
01:25:43,510 --> 01:25:41,920
you're right or wrong about that okay

2277
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,520
you go down there drive through the

2278
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:46,080
flood and we'll watch your car drown

2279
01:25:49,670 --> 01:25:47,760
and then you come back from the after

2280
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:49,680
world and tell me that was wrong

2281
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,280
[Laughter]

2282
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:53,280
okay

2283
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:55,199
what if i see jesus in the after world

2284
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:57,840
though well then that's your problem

2285
01:26:06,830 --> 01:25:59,360
you get get mad at him because you

2286
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:12,070
john come here

2287
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:14,070
you tried right you tried and it didn't

2288
01:26:22,629 --> 01:26:19,590
i was uh i was hoping that uh that it

2289
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:22,639
would tail off but it just never did so

2290
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:25,920
but uh uh my dog is here well yep so

2291
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:27,840
yeah

2292
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:30,560
nigel's been uh up here for 10 minutes

2293
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:32,560
let me let me well let me let me do give

2294
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:34,639
let me let me do give one last question

2295
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:35,440
maybe

2296
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:38,320
minutes that we can

2297
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:41,679
salvage some of the political talk um so

2298
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:44,400
uh so alex uh in particular with your

2299
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:47,040
background in a.i was curious to see

2300
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:50,560
what your take on the google uh

2301
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,800
developer that got released last week

2302
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:54,320
for uh

2303
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:55,360
nda

2304
01:27:02,629 --> 01:26:58,880
uh claiming that the uh uh that uh that

2305
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:02,639
the conversation uh framework had gone

2306
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:05,199
sentiment uh is this is it is it

2307
01:27:09,669 --> 01:27:07,440
possible this is just google has finally

2308
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:09,679
passed the touring test or

2309
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:16,390
what was okay so john i always what is

2310
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:19,520
your take on it uh it just uh well i

2311
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:22,239
think i think the guy's probably not i

2312
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:23,840
think the guy's probably stressed a

2313
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:25,360
little too stressed probably saw some

2314
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:28,719
things that uh that probably probably it

2315
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:30,800
passed the turing test probably it did

2316
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:33,679
come across as if it was uh sentinent

2317
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:35,120
but i find it hard to believe that

2318
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:37,760
google is hanging on to uh sentiments

2319
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:40,719
yeah uh programmatic sentiments yeah so

2320
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:42,639
uh tell tell folks what the turing test

2321
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:46,080
is uh the touring test is simply a piece

2322
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:49,520
of software that convinces the user or

2323
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:51,760
yeah the user that that they're speaking

2324
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,080
with the human but they're speaking with

2325
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:56,800
a piece of software yeah right so

2326
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:58,639
there's this very famous

2327
01:28:01,590 --> 01:28:00,320
computer scientist the guy who kind of

2328
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,600
made the first computer the guy who

2329
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:03,360
broke the enigma code you can go watch

2330
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:05,040
the movie he's a british

2331
01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:07,040
computer scientist his name is alan

2332
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:08,719
turing

2333
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:09,920
one of the things that's really cool

2334
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:12,960
about alan turing i think is that

2335
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:16,480
he basically won world war ii for us in

2336
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:17,360
a way

2337
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:20,560
by breaking cracking the code an enigma

2338
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:23,679
by inventing a computer and then later

2339
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:26,159
he was completely his life was destroyed

2340
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:29,440
because he was gay and they it was

2341
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:32,960
illegal at that time and they

2342
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,080
forced

2343
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:36,719
kind of him to take these drugs

2344
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:38,400
and he eventually committed suicide it's

2345
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,840
a horrible story but to think that

2346
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:41,520
someone who served

2347
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:43,120
his country

2348
01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:48,000
that nobly it would then be basically

2349
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:50,560
killed by his country's very interest so

2350
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:53,040
he said he said look if people

2351
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:55,199
so way back this is world war ii he said

2352
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,880
if you want to know where this stuff is

2353
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:58,719
going

2354
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:01,920
question is could this computer ever be

2355
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:03,920
smarter than you are and that's when he

2356
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:05,920
said well

2357
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:08,480
really that's kind of the wrong question

2358
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,280
the right question is as john said

2359
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,960
could it ever trick you into thinking

2360
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:14,400
that it's smarter than you are because

2361
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,760
if it can trick him to thinking it's

2362
01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:17,280
smarter than you are then it kind of

2363
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:19,920
wins the game and that raises a bunch of

2364
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:21,679
other questions about consciousness

2365
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:23,600
extended consciousness

2366
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:25,120
ufos

2367
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:26,320
all the rest of this stuff which is

2368
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:28,639
beyond what the computer can do

2369
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:30,159
so when we

2370
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:32,320
narrow the question down to

2371
01:29:38,229 --> 01:29:35,600
the turing test like can you be fooled

2372
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:38,239
well anyone who's ever played chess

2373
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:40,239
knows that the computer can

2374
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:42,719
whip your butt it just without even

2375
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:44,560
trying but the other thing i always

2376
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:47,440
point out to folks about ai

2377
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:50,320
is that you're already living ai

2378
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:53,199
i mean if you trade stocks even a little

2379
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:56,159
bit you're competing with ai if you play

2380
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:59,280
online poker you're competing with ai if

2381
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:01,600
you're those little

2382
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:03,520
search engine bots that follow you

2383
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:07,520
around are ai so even the points at

2384
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:10,080
which you're already are interfacing

2385
01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:12,880
with ai are kind of unsettling so where

2386
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:18,470
it's it's very it's very hard to imagine

2387
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:20,560
that it's not it's not much much further

2388
01:30:25,750 --> 01:30:22,800
along than we think but i think the the

2389
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:25,760
question really is a spiritual question

2390
01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:29,520
of whether or not uh is what sentence

2391
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:30,800
means what

2392
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:32,880
uh you know

2393
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:35,840
being human really means becomes uh

2394
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:37,840
becomes a spiritual question because if

2395
01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:39,600
you're thinking about it from a

2396
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:42,239
materialistic science perspective it's

2397
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:44,080
game over yes of course the computer's

2398
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:45,840
going to be smarter than you are

2399
01:30:49,669 --> 01:30:48,000
well and it's a question of sentence and

2400
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:49,679
that and that's what that's what that's

2401
01:30:53,750 --> 01:30:52,000
what our question is i mean really i

2402
01:30:55,590 --> 01:30:53,760
mean i don't

2403
01:30:57,110 --> 01:30:55,600
and i could yeah obviously could be

2404
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:57,120
totally off base on this but i don't

2405
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:58,800
think we have the neural networks and

2406
01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:00,480
stuff that we need to have you know to

2407
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:03,040
even approach sentence in a machine

2408
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:05,280
we've just got some really really good

2409
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:08,000
heuristics engines that can make that

2410
01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:09,840
because a couple years ago some russian

2411
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:12,719
programmers actually won you know won a

2412
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:16,560
uh uk uh touring test uh but they but

2413
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:18,320
they dumbed down their bots so that it

2414
01:31:24,149 --> 01:31:20,800
spoke as like a three-year-old russian

2415
01:31:26,310 --> 01:31:24,159
and well in english in english so

2416
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:26,320
translated from a three-year-old russian

2417
01:31:31,270 --> 01:31:28,800
to english and actually managed to fool

2418
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:31,280
some people but that's that's kind of

2419
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:33,040
that's kind of uh i think perk did

2420
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:35,120
something like that and uh star trek to

2421
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:36,880
uh you know uh

2422
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:39,040
you know the uh kovarachi maru or

2423
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:40,960
whatever but yeah

2424
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:42,320
well and i think you've changed the

2425
01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:44,320
rules of the game basically yeah i mean

2426
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:46,560
i think it gets back to the quote that i

2427
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:49,440
played you by uh harare

2428
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:52,320
um the new world order guy who is the

2429
01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:54,639
science darling right so he doesn't

2430
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:55,760
believe

2431
01:32:01,669 --> 01:31:59,199
that you are a conscious being john he

2432
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:01,679
believes that you are a biological robot

2433
01:32:06,149 --> 01:32:03,520
the consciousness is

2434
01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:06,159
emerging is an epiphenomena of your

2435
01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:09,040
brain there is nothing more to you than

2436
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:12,320
this biology that's cranking that out

2437
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:15,040
that's how they want to frame things

2438
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:17,199
from an ai perspective because then from

2439
01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:19,679
an ai perspective you can nev you will

2440
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:22,639
lose that battle but if you are more and

2441
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:24,719
the best science suggests that you are

2442
01:32:28,709 --> 01:32:27,600
more that you are a spiritual being

2443
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:28,719
then

2444
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:31,199
ai can never really touch that unless we

2445
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:33,600
start hypothesizing that at some point

2446
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:36,320
the silic the soul enters the silicon

2447
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:38,000
and that kind of thing but that's a kind

2448
01:32:41,910 --> 01:32:40,560
of different discussion yeah it is a

2449
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:41,920
different discussion

2450
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:44,239
yeah yeah i just i just don't i don't

2451
01:32:48,149 --> 01:32:46,080
think i don't think google i don't think

2452
01:32:51,430 --> 01:32:48,159
we need to worry about anything escaping

2453
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:51,440
uh a google lab and uh and uh taking

2454
01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:54,400
over the world i i just that that's

2455
01:32:58,149 --> 01:32:56,880
and i could be wrong but i just i don't

2456
01:32:59,669 --> 01:32:58,159
know that we're that advanced and

2457
01:33:01,830 --> 01:32:59,679
actually i think back to the fact that

2458
01:33:03,990 --> 01:33:01,840
we're just kind of some biological

2459
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:04,000
computers um

2460
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:06,719
you know we we don't we don't do we

2461
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:08,800
don't we don't do a very good job but so

2462
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:10,880
so we're flawed in of in and of

2463
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:12,400
ourselves and then we're gonna we're

2464
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:14,159
gonna i mean

2465
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:15,840
so we're really that close to being god

2466
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:17,600
that we can create a senate sentiment

2467
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:22,229
again i think that plays into what

2468
01:33:26,950 --> 01:33:24,960
they're the meme that they're trying to

2469
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:26,960
the paradigm that they're trying really

2470
01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:30,159
really hard to advance which is that

2471
01:33:34,149 --> 01:33:32,080
yeah that's that's what harare says that

2472
01:33:36,550 --> 01:33:34,159
directly he says that's going to be god

2473
01:33:38,390 --> 01:33:36,560
god is going to come from silicon valley

2474
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,400
and that's why i jumped on rob about the

2475
01:33:43,189 --> 01:33:40,320
uri geller thing that's the important

2476
01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:43,199
point about early geller is

2477
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:45,520
this the scientists that were working

2478
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:47,920
with uri geller they didn't have any of

2479
01:33:53,110 --> 01:33:51,120
these transhumanist notions that there's

2480
01:33:54,790 --> 01:33:53,120
nothing more they were saying this guy

2481
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:54,800
is obviously connecting with something

2482
01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:56,800
more there's something more out there

2483
01:34:01,669 --> 01:33:59,040
but the message for

2484
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:01,679
the climate catastrophist like robin

2485
01:34:06,629 --> 01:34:04,320
trish is no give us control of

2486
01:34:08,149 --> 01:34:06,639
everything give us the technical control

2487
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:08,159
and we'll figure everything out and

2488
01:34:11,110 --> 01:34:09,920
that's just that the science doesn't

2489
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:11,120
support that

2490
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:13,120
well and and to be clear that's what

2491
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:15,440
bothers me when it kind of bothers me

2492
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:17,520
that this that this whole story may have

2493
01:34:21,510 --> 01:34:19,520
been a you know may have been a plant

2494
01:34:23,270 --> 01:34:21,520
you know that totally

2495
01:34:26,950 --> 01:34:23,280
to terrify people that google or

2496
01:34:32,229 --> 01:34:26,960
google's on the verge of uh uh sentinel

2497
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:34,790
one of the one of the things that uh

2498
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:38,159
you said alex about uh eric yeller about

2499
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:39,679
the the scientists

2500
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:40,480
uh

2501
01:34:44,189 --> 01:34:41,520
actually

2502
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:44,199
blends right in with a lot of what

2503
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:47,199
parapsychologists believe that they they

2504
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:50,800
may believe in telepathy precognition

2505
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:52,480
but many of them

2506
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:55,119
including dean rayden i believe do not

2507
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:56,880
believe in an afterlife

2508
01:35:01,109 --> 01:34:59,600
do not believe that we are spirit beings

2509
01:35:02,470 --> 01:35:01,119
well i i don't know

2510
01:35:05,030 --> 01:35:02,480
maybe i don't know where you're getting

2511
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:05,040
that from dean but i mean he published

2512
01:35:09,510 --> 01:35:07,199
his book on magic and

2513
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:09,520
spirits and all the rest of that stuff

2514
01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:10,480
yeah i know

2515
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:12,960
i've read books but

2516
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:15,440
i just remember maybe his change

2517
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:18,159
uh changed his thinking but i remember

2518
01:35:23,189 --> 01:35:21,040
maybe 20 years ago you say from a

2519
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:23,199
scientific point of view there is there

2520
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:25,119
is no evidence that

2521
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:26,400
uh

2522
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:29,199
that there is any spirit world that that

2523
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:32,320
life continues to survives well that's

2524
01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:34,639
noah i mean ed is in his book in the the

2525
01:35:38,070 --> 01:35:36,719
magic real magic book he kind of says

2526
01:35:40,830 --> 01:35:38,080
hey i didn't know any of this stuff

2527
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:40,840
before and now i understand this okay

2528
01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:44,080
yeah cult spirit but i i still think

2529
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:46,000
he's you know he's transhumanist i had

2530
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:48,080
him on the show and i was just stunned

2531
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:49,679
that he he's kind of

2532
01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:52,960
fallen into this transhumanist trap so

2533
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:54,159
that's where i thought you were going

2534
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:56,080
he's kind of of this hey maybe we could

2535
01:36:00,390 --> 01:35:58,159
all just be a hive mind and maybe that's

2536
01:36:02,149 --> 01:36:00,400
better for everybody and it'll save the

2537
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:02,159
planet if you don't have your individual

2538
01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:03,840
consciousness if you just

2539
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:07,840
merge it all in the one big hive

2540
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:09,520
the man who felt the man who fell to

2541
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:10,560
earth

2542
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:12,560
yeah and and and maybe this would be a

2543
01:36:16,709 --> 01:36:14,320
good place to end it we'll just tell

2544
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:16,719
people that in the afterlife we'll find

2545
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:18,560
each other and record a follow-up

2546
01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:19,920
podcast

2547
01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:22,159
oh that sounds good yeah right as above

2548
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:23,679
so below

2549
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:27,520
as below so above right all right

2550
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:29,920
thank you thank you guys thank you alex

2551
01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:31,679
this is the kind of this is the kind of

2552
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:33,520
discussions that need to be had so this

2553
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:34,960
is the discussion i want to have i don't

2554
01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:36,639
know what someone you want to have no

2555
01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:38,960
that's what it's like that's good

2556
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:40,239
it's true

2557
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:42,880
it's about finding truth so i'm gonna

2558
01:36:47,030 --> 01:36:44,639
i'm gonna send you to miami i'm gonna

2559
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:47,040
send you the miami beach sea levels and

2560
01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:48,880
then i'm gonna send you a ticket to

2561
01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:50,960
miami to go drive during hurricanes

2562
01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:52,480
those those are not those are not

2563
01:36:56,629 --> 01:36:54,800
equivalent those are not the same hey

2564
01:36:57,470 --> 01:36:56,639
don't but don't turn down a free trip to

2565
01:36:59,910 --> 01:36:57,480
miami you know

2566
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:59,920
[Laughter]

2567
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:01,119
okay

2568
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:03,280
see you guys thanks take care appreciate

2569
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:06,719
it appreciate you guys

2570
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,400
thanks to these guys rob and trish

2571
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:10,320
mcguire for having me on i'm sure this

2572
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:14,709
the end of it

2573
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:16,080
um

2574
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:16,960
it's

2575
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:22,400
i'm going to continue to cover is like

2576
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:25,119
the truth is too important mistakes are

2577
01:37:30,229 --> 01:37:27,840
raised now i mean we have to be able to

2578
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:30,239
get through this stuff and

2579
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:33,119
just really poor logic just

2580
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:35,360
isn't gonna cut it and i don't think it

2581
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:37,600
should be you know

2582
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:39,760
kind of a suffer fools gladly kind of

2583
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:42,000
thing i don't know what do you think let

2584
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:43,040
me know

2585
01:38:00,160 --> 01:37:46,610
until next time take care bye for now